Hang on, bears! We may be near a top.

TK All-star posted on 06/12/09 at 09:26 AM

It's hard to be bearish right now, especially with the market continuing to press higher in the face of multiple negative indicators. Many analysts will point to the persistent bid beneath the market and declare it a sign of strength. After all, if stocks can rally despite the negativity, there must be an underlying bullish current.

Experienced traders see it differently.

The stock market's job is to separate the public from its money. So it will do whatever it takes to keep as many people as possible on the wrong side before making a key reversal.

Yes, that's a cynical view. But having been involved in the market for the past 25 years and having seen how few public investors ever make any money in stocks, a little cynicism is justified.

Think about what happened in late February and early March. The stock market was violently oversold. Many technical indicators were starting to display bullish characteristics. And I cautioned we might have been on the verge of a major rally.

But stocks kept falling. Every brief rally attempt was hit with massive selling pressure and stocks could not catch a bid. The public sold stocks en masse and ran up the largest cumulative short position in history.

We all know what happened next.

Today, we have the exact opposite situation. Stocks are violently overbought. Most technical indicators are bearish. And it looks to me like stocks may be poised for a massive drop.

Yet the market keeps rallying. Every attempt to sell off is met with persistent buying pressure. The public is desperate to buy into every dip out of fear of missing the next big move higher.

Yesterday's heroic eight-minute rally (from 3:15 p.m. Eastern time to 3:23 p.m. Eastern time) erased a 100-point decline and pushed the Dow up 50 points. This is just the market's latest attempt to suck in the public investor and shake traders out of short positions before a more sustained decline takes hold.

Of course, I know how paranoid that sounds. But I've seen this movie before and the ending is always the same.

The weight of the negative technical indicators may eventually press the market lower. There's no way to tell, though, from what level the selling will start and what the catalyst will be for such a move.

Yesterday's gap-down opening had the potential to kick off a sharp decline. But the bank stocks were showing strength. That strength led to a late-day reversal for the major averages.

There's absolutely no way I can recommend buying stocks here. Not with the multiple bearish indicators I've pointed to over the past few weeks.

At the same time, however, I don't want to get too aggressive on the short side until we finally see weakness set in and hold. A move below 923 on the S&P 500 should do it.

Best regards and good trading,
Jeff Clark
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Posted by TK All-star on 06/12/09 at 09:26 AM

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C.B. Trader posted June 12, 2009 (01:10PM)

Thanks for this I know i feel the same way that a reversal is inevitable and since I already missed the rally I should just weight but it is hard to stay disciplined with all these rally's but thanks for another reminder of staying my preset course.
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JJL posted June 12, 2009 (03:27PM)

I think you might be right ill probably sell off and stay in cash.
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idid posted June 12, 2009 (04:11PM)

I have noticed that some of the stocks that normaly rise and fall with the market prices, are not of late. They have large volumes, but remain within a few cents of open and close through  out the day. Drys, of late has stayed within about a .20cent price range with a volume of 12 to 15 million. Now, this time of year, Fro, Drys and Egle should be trading up and down some what more than that. I think I will stay in mostly cash, a few calls on some mining stocks, and wait and play the earnings runs.
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WeirdUncleJesse posted June 12, 2009 (04:54PM)

   I, too, think the Market is a bit overbought. However, I don't think the rally is quite over yet. The Market almost always overcorrects. I think one of 2 things must happen before the Bears take over:

   1: Some major event, like maybe, riots in Iran over their elections interupting the flow of oil.
or
   2: The S+P knocking on 1K's door.

   So if nothing shocking happens, I'd say we have another 50 or so on the S+P before it's really time to get out. In the meantime, I'd advise keeping your stops close, or grab some protective puts or collars. 

  Hmmm.... looks like I better start following my own advice first thing next week....

~~Weird Uncle Jesse~~
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DavidDT Trading-to-Win.com posted June 12, 2009 (05:38PM)

Jeff - very nice post/observation

(following is not addressed to Jeff or people who commented before my comment, but rather to "whom it may concern" )

there is no such thing as overbought or oversold (tell it to some poor sucker who sold on oversold and got erased by margin when market stayed overbought another 2 months)

There are only suckers of all calibers: suckers money managers with hidden agendas talking on CNBC, sending you "investment" letters, etc
suckers who listen and don't have their own opinion
suckers who believe that there is "set it and forget it"
suckers who are perma bulls or perma bears
suckers who buy investment advise and attend seminars of "great traders"
suckers who think that they can learn nothing from others for free
and most importantly, suckers who think that it is easy to make money in stock market without 24x7 hard work/studying

list goes on...
so good for me that there are so many suckers and I am not the biggest sucker of 'em all :)

few current myths
1. "bonds will collapse" - WRONG - they just set for a nice long trade
2. "commodities are the place to be"...get real, may be nat gas (hello Gartman), but not food commodities or stuff that can hurt your leg
3. "dollar is doomed" - sure, I will buy it from you, no problem
4. "Motley Fools are smart!" - not even funny
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incubus posted June 12, 2009 (07:38PM)

In swing trading, in an uptrend you favor the dips with long positions, then in a downtrend do the reverse.
I got burnt like a piece of bad toast June 1rst when I opted to short that mondays spike, it took me two days of scaling into maxed indicators to get back a small gain 

I keep referencing the 1974-75 market, when we jumped 50% virtually non-stop before finally correcting less than 10%, and then continued up for the next two years with nothing more substantial for a correction than that.

Though economic conditions this time are definitely not the same, a quick look at that years chart puts a good perspective on caution in shorting.
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DavidDT Trading-to-Win.com posted June 12, 2009 (09:40PM)

incibus
"The trend is your friend...until it ends"

We can trade both ways, I agree that swing trading is more appropriate into trend...the big kahuna question is - we don't know when trend will reverse and that is when trend follower getting hit harder than people who manage their risk and trade against the crowd.
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incubus posted June 12, 2009 (09:59PM)

You'll remember the old Billy Crystel skit from SNL..."Don't ya hate when...."
...every indicator, both long, and short term, are in massively oversold condition and you bet big on a trend change that doesn't happen?

The ole risk/reward routine, remembering September 26th, Novemeber 20th, January 6th and March 6th - the temptation to think you can spot the next one...guess slow n steady really does win the race. 
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DavidDT Trading-to-Win.com posted June 12, 2009 (10:05PM)

respectfully disagree - my quote is:
"Knowing does it"

take a look at this chart
DJA weekly
http://screencast.com/t/yypwxnNNqR4
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DavidDT Trading-to-Win.com posted June 12, 2009 (10:08PM)

Incubus
one more thing - I did spot March 6th, as well as many other great trading opportunities during the years when "bagholders" where burnt to ashes
http://trading-to-win.com/ExamplePort.aspx
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incubus posted June 12, 2009 (11:01PM)

Dave, March 6 was just another "dip in the crowd" to me.
I remember, I sold my shorts at just over 6500, and started a long position....trouble is I saw it as just another dip in what looked to me like another jag in the sawtooth journey downhill, at the time I was going light on long and heavier on shorts because that had been the trend for a few months, and the paranoid memories of a market that was plummeting and soaring by hundreds of points (a thousand one day that I recall) within the course of any given day had taught me to buy wisely and not be a "pig".

I use a strategy to start small into a trend in the event it gets out of hand, it's interesting when the market has a down day and I make a gain long, or vise versa.

Not every day is green, but swingtrading works that way, you cannot possibly pinpoint exact trends or changes in direction...I average in and out of trends.

On that note, we're high-jacking a blog, maybe this would make a good forum thread...?
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fluxilla posted June 12, 2009 (11:08PM)

Lots of people have commented similarly on this [good] post. It's true, public investors rarely make sustained long term money, but we should ask ourselves: why?

Everyone can see that it's been an unusual bull rally; sure, there are now some bearish technical indicators in the indexes, the VIX is all over the place, yet we keep going sideways or a little bit up. Are we headed for a major tank? How is the Iranian PM election going to affect the market? The butterfly effect works long and hard in the market, and the best thing I have found is to take the simple advice from O'Neil:

Observe, research, buy competent companies, set a gain sell point (10-20%) and set a loss sell point (5-7%). Play your option spreads conservatively, and be ready and WILLING to get out if things go bad. I'm not the world's greatest trader, but I do my research. I make mistakes, I learn from them, and, most importantly, I get out when things go bad so that I'm not left holding the bag when a company goes to hell in a handbasket.

DavidDT- good myths! Is motley fool anything more than spam? All their articles read like a Sham-WOW commercial, without the benefit of hookers.


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WeirdUncleJesse posted June 13, 2009 (09:37AM)

   Flux - Rioting in Iran would effect the market for the same reason anything else would effect the market -
because people think it would. That's the only reason anything effects the market. It's what markets are - a conpendium of public opinion.

   Anyhow - Inky's right. It's rude to hijack a blog :-) Back on track ...

   How long do folks think the coming cownturn will last? Personally, I think no more than a month or so, and won't be too bad. If the commentators are right, there's a lot of money on the sidelines getting very bored. It's looking for an entry point.

   Anyhow, that's my opinion, take it for what it's worth - just a few keystrokes.

~~Weird Uncle Jesse~~
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TK All-star posted June 17, 2009 (03:25PM)

Thanks for the great feedback, everyone. Last week, it felt a little too early to aggressively short stocks. On Monday, that may have changed. Right now, I can only find three stocks to buy... and 397 to short or avoid. I'll give you some details in my next All-Stars post. Watch for it!

Regards,

Jeff Clark
GrowthStockWire.com
TradeKing All-Star Commentator
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DavidDT Trading-to-Win.com posted June 18, 2009 (12:09AM)

Jeff,
it always takes more guts/skills to FADE strong trend.
I, for one, was wrong many times...for few days :)

Great call, hope you were on POTlike trains to hell

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