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Moving Your Stop and Taking Profits

Doc Maher wraps up his AAPL stock trade.

In Swing Trading with Stocks I explained some of the basics of this technique. In Managing Your Swing Trade, I demonstrated how and when I would enter a stock position and also began using stops and planned exits. As I have said before, this part of trading is more of an art than a science, so you need to figure out which risk management method works best for you. In the final installment of this stock trading series, I will explain step-by-step how and why I move stops along with taking profits if they materialize.

THE PLAY - Buy Long Stock on a Pullback

TRADE FORMATION

On April 14, the following scenario occurred in AAPL stock:

High of the day: $149.25

Low of the day: $144.54

Most recent swing high: $159.69 on April 7

Target: $159.69

Potential entry: above $149.40 up to $149.50

Potential stop loss trigger: $144.50

Maximum gain: theoretically unlimited

Maximum loss: $149.50

Target gain:  ~$10.19 (target - potential entry = $159.69 - $149.50)

Intended maximum loss: ~$5.00 (potential entry - stop loss trigger = $149.50 - $144.50)

Reward-to-risk ratio: $10.19 / $5.00 = 2.04

Time duration of trade: 2 to 6 days

ALL STAR COMMENTARY

As of the last post, I had just acquired my theoretical stock position and was beginning to manage my stop for it. I bought 200 shares of AAPL for $149.50 on April 15. The stock closed that day at $148.38, putting me down $1.12.

Previously I said that I would take some of my position off if AAPL reached my target of $159.69. Let's round up to $160. The night that my entry order would fill, I would split the position of 200 shares into two batches of 100 shares each.

For the first batch I will place a One Cancels Other order using a Sell Limit order and a Sell Stop order. The Sell Limit order would be to sell 100 AAPL at $160. The Sell Stop order would be to sell stop 100 AAPL with the original trigger price of $144.50 we used before. For the second batch I will place a Sell Stop order to sell stop 100 AAPL at $144.50. So after these orders are placed, this is what it will look like: if AAPL hits $160, I will sell half of my shares. I will keep the other half as long as AAPL continues to run up. If first AAPL falls to $144.50, I will sell 200 shares.

I will continue to manage the sell stop prices manually at the end of everyday. Because AAPL has not moved up that much on the first day, I will use the same sell stop price of $144.50.

Below is a chart of AAPL on April 16. Notice the move up here. OK now things are starting to look good. AAPL opened up at $151.72 and closed on the day even higher at $153.70. By the end of the day, my stock position would have an unrealized gain of $4.20 ($153.70 - $149.50). Because of this move up, I can now adjust my stops.

Click here for a larger chart of AAPL on April 16.

Moving stops is more of an art than a science. One rule often used when long stock is to move the stop up to just under the low of the previous day's candle ($145.72). I'm a little more flexible than that. I love when I can move my stop to my entry price. This means that if the stock trades lower, I would get stopped out near $149.50. As long as the stock does not gap down, I won't lose anything on the trade and I like that feeling. So now I will move both my stops up to my entry price of $149.50. I still have the order to sell 100 at $160 if the stock ever gets there.

By April 18 AAPL looked like this:

Click here for a larger chart of AAPL on April 18.

Since AAPL broke through my initial target, my order to sell 100 shares at $160 would have been filled. I would have sold the first 100 of the 200 shares for a profit of $10.50 per share ($1,050 total). The execution of this trade would automatically cancel the stop order on the first batch of 100 shares. Then I would move the stop on the remaining 100 shares up to $157. If I get stopped out here these shares would make $7.50.

On April 21, AAPL made another big move up (see below). At this point I move my stop up to $160. This was chosen by a combination of the rule and some judgment. This stop leaves $8.16 between the close on April 21 and my stop. This might be a lot but I want to give the stock a chance to run higher, especially after such a good move up.

Click here for a larger chart of AAPL on April 21.

On April 22, the second batch of 100 shares got stopped out at $160 - giving me another $1050 in profit. If I had been less aggressive with moving my stop, I might have been able to stay in longer and benefit from AAPL's continued run up (see below). Not profiting on a stock's full move will happen and I don't worry about it when it does. Regardless, this trade still would have made $2,100 (that's 7%) in six days.

Click here for a larger chart of AAPL on April 22.

Of course I could also use options instead of buying the stock. I will cover this in my next swing trading post.

--Doc Maher

"Income Trader"

DocMaher Trading LLC

All-Star Commentator

Doc's previous posts: Swing Trading With Stocks and Managing Your Swing Trade

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Nicole Wachs contributed to this post.

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This seems to me like a fancy way to do trailing stop orders with the added work of having to monitor your position and adjust every day.

Setting up two 100 share trailing stop orders with different ranges of profitability and then two OTO orders for the sale of 100 shares each (cancelling the sell orders) at your low end price would seem to accomplish the same process with less daily monitoring.

There are always advantages to physically monitoring positions to take advantage of quick change situations, but thought I might present a different angle for those not able to do daily monitoring of positions.

Of course your way works too...:0)

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This is in response to corbinb2 btw, I am not in favor of the entry price, for the above method by doc m. 

There is one difference.  Let's say the you put stop for stock A at 10 which is 50 cents below the low of the last couple of days.  And then the price goes to 15 then to 13 then to 16.  If you have a manual stop at 10 you will still own the stock at 16, and you can then move your stop to 11.5 for example.  BUT with trail you have a different scenario.  Let's say you have a $2 trail.  Then you will get stopped out at $13.  Even if you buy it back you lose on some potential profit.  But if the next day it goes back down to 11 then the guy with trail makes more than the stop guy.  Because he sold at 13 and the stop guy at 11.5.  But you could combine both those strategies and have half with a stop for longer duration approach, and half with trail so you can basically do shorter term trades but keep trading it by buying back on lows and trailing it. 

How about this approach for maximizing profit on a stock that you are bullish on?

Let's say  you bought the stock at 10.5.  Then you you can see what the weekly ATR  (Average true range) for the stock is. And create a One Cancels the Other order with a Trailing stop equal to the weekly ATR, and another order with Stop loss at 10.  This way you won't lose more than 50 cents and you can have a bigger range to play with.  If you see the stock go up to 16, you can move your low stop loss higher to keep some of the profits or you could just sell 30-50% of your shares, and then buy them back after a 10% pullback which frankly in this market is very likely.  I would have liked to be able to have a profit exit too.  But I am not sure if you can have 3 arguments in once cancels the other on tradeking? Does anyone know if you can nest arguments endlessly for example or at least have an option of adding more than 2?

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After writing this comment I realized that you are not able to do trailing stops as a contingent order at Tradeking so my theory will not work here. This type of order really should be an option when setting up trades.
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Hi All,

These comments have been addressed in a new post Throwing Good Money After Bad.

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Nicole's previous posts: Liquidity of FROs and FRO Trading Requirements

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Be sure to check out Doc's latest post, Swing Trading GOOG Options.

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Is there a way to set a trailing stop, by percentage, for a trade on Trade King?
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Hal,

The trailing stop criteria can be pulled up while on the trading page under the "Advanced Orders" menu. You would be able to select points or percent for the criteria. This information can be changed under the "price type" in the trailing stop criteria. The default is points but you can change this to percent and enter that percentage under the "price increment". If you have any further questions please let us know.

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