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Doc Maher explains how to refine your method with Advanced Orders.

I have noticed that many of you have various ways of getting into trades with different reasons for entry. Once active in a position, there are even more styles by which to manage these trades. In the following post I will explain a simple trading method, known as Swing Trading, that will hopefully help you improve your odds of profitability. I will also discuss how and why to use stop, stop-limit, and advanced orders with this technique.

Swing Trading is a newer twist on the traditional buy and hold strategy, but with a shorter time horizon. A swing trade usually lasts a few days to a few weeks.

THE PLAY - Buy Long Stock on a Pullback

TRADE FORMATION

On April 14, the following scenario occurred in AAPL stock:

High of the day: $149.25

Low of the day: $144.54

Most recent swing high: $159.69 on April 7

Target: $159.69

Potential entry: above $149.40 up to $149.50

Potential stop loss trigger: $144.50

Maximum gain: theoretically unlimited

Maximum loss: $149.50

Target gain:  ~$10.19 (target - potential entry = $159.69 - $149.50)

Intended maximum loss: ~$5.00 (potential entry - stop loss trigger = $149.50 - $144.50)

Reward-to-risk ratio: $10.19 / $5.00 = 2.04

Time duration of trade: 2 to 6 days

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In Swing Trading we take advantage of stock fluctuations within a trend. The idea is that trending stocks usually move in a step-like manner, or swing, rather than in a straight line. So while the overall trend is up, there will be small "pullbacks" during the trend. If the trend is down, there will be small "bear-rallies." (To read more about the bearish side, please check out my previous post Frustrated by Getting Stopped Out.) The theory is that these pullbacks (or bear-rallies) offer us a better-odds entry. Below is an example of what I am talking about.

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Entering on the pullbacks gives me a better chance of profiting as the trend resumes. I  enter when the stock starts back up and place my stops below the swings. Then it's just a matter of managing the stops and taking profit at the appropriate times. These trades usually last two to six candlesticks. So for a daily chart I am talking about two to six days. For a weekly chart it would be two to six weeks. Of course if things keep moving in the right direction, the trade could last longer.

To illustrate, let's look at a recent historical case. Here is AAPL on April 7, 2008:

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The first thing I look for is a trend. It also helps if I am bullish for other reasons, such as sector strength or strong fundamentals. In the above chart you can see AAPL has a pretty good uptrend. However I don't want to enter it now because at any time it could go into a pullback. If that happens, I might get stopped out, while still being correct about the overall trend. The higher percentage play is to wait for the pullback and then enter.

Click here for a larger image.

Let's advance in time and zoom in a little. The above chart is AAPL on April 14th. As you can see it pulled back from its high on April 7th. If I had entered on the day of the high, I probably would have been stopped out. So instead of jumping in, I'll wait for the stock to turn back up. When this happens, I will have a local (swing) low. At the close on April 14th, AAPL was trading at 147.78. As a guideline, I will enter only if AAPL goes above the high of April 14 ($149.25). I'll put my stop below the low of April 14th ($144.54). This is what I hope will become the swing low, but I won't know until the turn back up is made.

But how do I do that? What kind of an order do I want to use? I need an order that will let me wait until the price of AAPL goes above $149.25 before I buy. This is called a Buy Stop Limit Order. The "Stop" is the price I want my order to "trigger". Another way to say trigger is "become activated." Once triggered, a "limit" order to buy becomes live. The "limit" of this order is the most I am willing to pay for the stock. (As a side note, a "Stop Limit" order is usually used to enter a position and not to exit.)

So in this case, I want to enter above the April 7th high of $149.25. Let's say if AAPL gets to $149.40, I want to buy (stop or trigger price), however I don't want to pay more than $149.50 (buy limit price). If my order activates and I buy AAPL for $149.50 or better (or less) I will also want to limit my losses. In order to do that, I need to set a Sell Stop Order. As I said, this would be around the low of April 14th. But I only need the sell stop order if I get into the trade. This is done by combining the buy stop limit order and the sell stop order by using a One Triggers Other or OTO order. The second order (sell stop) will only go into effect if the first order is filled. This will limit my loss to $5.00 (entry of $149.50 - stop loss of $144.50).

The next thought you might be having is a potential loss of $5 too much? Too little? How can you tell the difference? I need to determine if the reward-to-risk ratio is acceptable. We have calculated the risk, but what's the reward based on? The way I do this is I start with the most recent high, which in this case was $159.69 on April 7th.  This becomes my target and gives me a potential reward of $159.69 (target) - $149.50 (entry) = $10.19. So my reward-to-risk ratio is $10.19/$5.00 = 2.04. As long as this is two or better I consider the risk acceptable to enter the trade. What this means is that even if AAPL only goes back up and tests the previous high, it will have been worth making this trade based on the risk and reward.

This doesn't mean that I can't stay in the trade if AAPL goes higher than the target, it is just a way for me to determine if the risk is worth taking. Whenever I am trading enough shares I will usually take some off the table when I hit the target. That way I ensure some profit at that level. The rest I will let run until stopped out, however I'm going to move my stop up as the stock increases.

Here is what the order looks like. The first image is for the Buy Stop Limit. The second image adds the Sell Stop by using a One Triggers the Other (Stock-Stock). Note that this choice is the Advanced Orders drop down box.

Click here for a larger image of the Buy Stop Limit Trading Screen.

Or here for the One Triggers Other Trading Screen.

Now this is set up for a classic swing trade. Next time I'll show you what would have happened and how to manage this position.

Until then,

--Doc Maher

"Income Trader"

DocMaher Trading LLC

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Doc's previous posts: Frustrated by Getting Stopped Out and Are Repair Strategies Worth It?

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Nicole Wachs contributed to this post.

Any strategies discussed and examples using actual securities and price data are for educational and illustrative purposes only and do not imply a recommendation or solicitation to buy or sell a particular security or to engage in any particular investment strategy. In reading content in the Community, you may gain ideas about when, where, and how to invest your money. Although you may discover new ideas or rationale that may be compelling, you must ultimately decide whether or not to put your own money at risk. Consider the following when making an investment decision: your financial and tax situation, your risk profile, and transaction costs.

Jonathan F. Maher, PhD has a professional business relationship with TradeKing.

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Jim Jackson

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What if I wanted to use an option instead of buying the stock. What option would you use?

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This works real well. If stock doesn't reach trigger point, your orders don't fill. Then try again the next day. I've found a lot of these trades where the risk reward is 3-4:1. The key is sticking to your stops. Some will fill, then get stopped out, but more often then not they will be winners. Right now, I'd be looking in reverse (selling short) or buying inverse etf. We're still in bear market territory, and easier to find falling stocks.
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It would be extremely helpful if you could do Trailing Stop orders in the same fashion. (i.e. contingent orders or OTO's)

The current restriction of not being able to do Trailing Stop orders for stocks under $5 is a big hinderance as well. I could understand $2 being the limit, but there are a too many good comapnies hovering under $5 a share for this to be a practical restriction.

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I think this strategy will get you slaughtered in the market right now.  Buying over the day's high is not going to work more often than not.  Either don't buy over the day's high or put a tighter stop loss.  If it was 4 months ago I would say go for it, and test it.  But you're increasing your chances at buying over the high either way.  You can put it 75% of the way between low and high if you want to catch a momentum stock on the way up.. It's rare that the stock will go up forever.  Through the day the stock usually goes up and down all day.. Actually the first half hour of the regular market is usually a good time to find a deal.  The stocks go in extremes of up or down.  You catch them reversing and buy in.  And the momentum it had the day before should continue after the half or maybe an hour.  That's if the stock sticks with your hypothesis of actually continuing it's ascent if not then at least you paid less for it. :)
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I've had a stock drop crazy low for the day on me  triggering a stop order, yet managed to make a decent gain by the end of the day.  I knew (as much as you can be sure in the market) the stock was going in an upward trend and would grow, but that stop order killed my profits. I seriouslly didn't expect it to dip that low so just watch out for that.

 I agree corbinb2. I would be doing better if I could utilize a trailing stop order for the stocks I buy. I missed out on about .50 with that RDN rally. I pulled out in the low 3s thinking it wouldn't go that high, and not wanting to lose any profits because I had to go to work.

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I like a combination exit myself.  It's worked well for me.  I have a profit exit,trailing stop exit, AND a stop loss exit.  I don't know if you can do that in Tradeking though. For example I caught V (Visa) at 71.70.  Put a Stop loss of 70.7.  And a profit exit of 2 dollars.  I did not put the trail in until it got to around the profit exit level at which I disabled the profit exit and waited for it to pass the point, then put a .5 trail to milk it for what it's worth :)  I basically risked 50 cents to see if it would go higher than my profit exit.  And it went to 74 something.  But the most important thing is the initial stop loss.  If I want to do a daytrade I usually have a stop loss that is about the 15min ATF.  For swings I like a stop loss of about the weekly ATF.
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OOPs I have a typo up there.. I meant ATR not ATF..lol 
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Stocker,

I'm not sure what you are suggesting when you say: "...this strategy will get you slaughtered in the market right now". It is true that this strategy, like all directional strategies will work better when the market, sector, and stock are all trending in the same direction. The main point is to increase your odds by buying at a ‘discount' on the pullback and only when the price moves back in your direction. This is not a guarantee of success but it does tend to improve your odds. This strategy is not designed for people that are day trading. The usual time frame is two to six days.

You said I'm increasing my chances of buying over the high. I am not buying over the local high. In fact I want to make sure that there is enough space between where I enter and the local high that I would have a two-to-one potential gain compared to where I put my stop even if the stock just tests its last high. What I want to avoid is buying on the way down and finding out that the stock isn't going to swing at all. When a stock is falling it may look like a "deal", but that's only true if it starts to come back up.

The reason that I wanted to show this style of entry is because I see many people entering long on stocks that are in down trends and dropping. They get in and they get stopped out right away or they don't use a stop and hold while the stock keeps dropping. These are usually entered based on some fundamental analysis. The problem is that good fundamentals can take a while to take hold. NE is an example of this. I have seen a lot of people who think that the fundamentals are very good and they enter while NE is dropping with out waiting for a turnaround in the sector, the market or even NE. I agree the fundamentals look pretty good. The problem is the market doesn't pay any attention to the fundamentals of NE and it just keeps dropping.

--Doc Maher

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Doc's previous posts: Stay out of Trouble and Moving Your Stop and Taking Profits

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I meant if you use that strategy in the current market conditions you will lose alot of money.  Bear market + Extreme volatility and odds are you will lose more times than not.  Second of all I was saying that even if the market conditions were like 4 months ago you could augment the entry point like so:

Entry Price = .75 x High of day

And it would most likely still satisfy your upward trending condition, and you COULD end up paying less.

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All,

Thanks for your comments. Doc Maher has responded in a new post Swing Trading GOOG Options.

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--Nicole Wachs

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Nicole's previous posts: Stock Goes Up...Calls Go Down?! and Getting Familiar with Earnings Plays

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