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Snowman Tries to Capitalize on Market Meltdown with Puts

This blog entry was prompted by a Trade Note written by Snowman. To read the Trade Note please go to: http://community.tradeking.com/members/snowman/trade_notes/4091-bought-to-open-15-contracts-of-hbc-op-at-7-20 

 

Snowman,

 

It looks like you have been trading these HBC Mar 80 puts quite a bit over the past couple of weeks. To recap your strategy for the rest of our members:

 

You are bearish on the stock HBC. To capitalize on this idea, you bought puts that expire in March because you think that the stock price will be lower sometime between now and then. You anticipate this may be caused by an earnings preannouncement or by the report itself, which is expected earlier that month. (To learn more about this strategy, account holders can check out the online version of the Options Playbook, Play #2 - Long Put. It's under Education.)

 

The Technical Insight (our technical analysis tool from Recognia - see image below) has a mixed view on HBC, but most of the indicators are giving bearish signals. This tool may be accessed under Quotes + Research > Technical Analysis. On the other hand, our research report provider Market Grader has a different view (see image below). HBC's score is 67.7 giving it a buy signal. Research reports are located under Quotes + Research > Research Reports.

 

Nice job on setting a goal for this trade. Although they may not be reached, having targets is an integral part of trading. In using the Profit + Loss Calculator (under Tools) and your price target for the stock at 64.50, you stand to make bank on this trade (see image below). Of course the forecast is not guaranteed - it still makes for some interesting stuff. The tool projects that your profit in the March 80 puts will be roughly $8 per contract. To calculate your projected return on investment (ROI) take the P + L Calculator amount of $800 and divide by the cost of $720 - a whopping 111% return. That would be $12,800 on an investment of $11,520.

 

As with all of our tools, they are provided to help our clients make better decisions. However, you will ultimately decide whether or not to put your money at risk in the market.

 

Speaking of $11,520 - this might be a fairly large trade for many of our Community members. I know from personal experience that using size or capital in a disproportionately large amount to one's resources, may cause one to jump ship early. Keeping the size of one's trades relatively small will keep a trader more level headed when making market decisions. It also keeps one in the game over the long haul, guarding against having "too many eggs in one basket..." Of course, we must all choose these parameters based on our own personal risk tolerance and trading goals.

 

As a final thought, you may want to make an investment in an alarm clock. If you are anything like me, you might want to make that a very loud alarm clock. Maybe even consider posting a suggestion in the TradeKing Wishlist to add this feature to our site! As for monitoring your trades, you could place an Advanced Order that stipulates to sell your puts when HBC reaches your target of 64.50. This is called a contingent order. Briefly stated, it's a setting that will activate an option order based on the stock price. Even though they are convenient, there are some drawbacks associated with Advanced Orders. I discuss some of them here: http://community.tradeking.com/members/moose/blogs/3565-a-few-thoughts-from-today. To read further, please go to: http://content.tradeking.com/wiki/display/tkservice/Advanced+Orders.

 

Thanks for allowing others to learn from your posts! With HBC trading down further on Monday, your puts are sitting pretty with a bid of 8.20.

This comment and any market data included here was prepared on 1/28/08.

--Nicole Wachs

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Edited by NicoleWachs at 04/08/08 05:27 PM
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If you looked at my trades you would of seen I left Trade king in November and came back. I feel Trade king is the best (never had a problem trade) great customer service, yet I was spinning my wheels. I came back because I had done a lot of research on HSBC and felt I needed to put at least a little money into some puts. Initial trade (10) 85 puts and (30) 75 puts. Then I did something else. Then I felt I needed to go buy puts on BIDU for a day. Two weeks I doubled my money. I am not afraid to give it back. That is why I am using a small amount of money. My mistake was not leaving my initial trade alone. I feel I can better my initial judgement. No offense but the only part of the web-site I do not like is the options calculator. If I were selling options though I would use it. I do watch option premiums though and it can tell you a lot about where a stock is headed. I do like the research section, it is always a good place to start. I believe that you must look back a least three years on all company SEC filings, before I invest one way or the other on a company. That is why I do not trade only 5% on any given equity, option. I am new and thanks for the advice . I got up at 6:00 A.M. that morning for work and then went to take a nap, guess what, hey everything happens for a reason. I have $4,400 invested and I am extremely happy with how things are going. My initial target was $70.oo for HBC and I feel I should stick to that, one can dream though.

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I forgot to say I love the education center. I also read the options guy blog. The one thing I hope you never change is the index for looking up terms. There is a whole langauge you have to learn and the index is a lifesaver. Sometimes I am on other sites and somthing comes up I do not understand and I try to look it up on Investopedia or somewhere else, and I end up coming back to Tradeking.

I hear of other traders getting orders filled hours later on the Mad Tuesday the market had and accounts shutting down and I am thankful I chose Tradeking. Good luck to everybody and have a blessed day.

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I am pleased to hear you are enjoying your experience at TradeKing. We are happy you started trading again after some quiet time. I see you exited the trade referenced above. (use this link to read more: http://community.tradeking.com/members/snowman/trade_notes/4217-sold-to-close-15-contracts-of-hbc-op-at-8-20) I know of many others that got caught in the Fed's wake back in September. The puts went out 7.80 bid. Nice sale at 8.20. There's no harm in putting money in your pocket.


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Not so fast, I need to catch the big drop, bought back gained a put at $7.60.
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I look forward to seeing how this new trade turns out!

 

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When the stock hit 76 yesterday it was like somebody turned on a switch. Selling was fierce. The word was out, and they new exactly when to sell into it. Whether it was the PPT (plunge protection team) or somebody else I do not know. Today the same scenario. Several Calendar spread puts and straddles have been bought, but most of the buying has been straight puts large volumes 100 to 5000. It looks as if she is going down. But that pretty much sums up the whole market. I am not ruling out a bounce upward tomorrow on the SPY. The market almost always moves the way you least expect. Good luck everyone in their trading.
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Maybe I need to hire somebody to trade for me. I was out of town at work today or I would of sold and bought back ( $2,700 ). That trade would of been to easy. That is what I like about the stock market, their is always something going on everyday. Almost every week I see an opportunity gone by to turn 10k into a million.
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Interesting observations! We don't have that kind of service at TradeKing....but we do have advanced order funcitonality. Whether the need is due to oversleeping or not sitting in front of the computer during market hours, you could use many of the Advanced Orders. These features may be convenient, but of course there are some drawbacks associated with Advanced Orders. I discuss some of them here: http://community.tradeking.com/members/moose/blogs/3565-a-few-thoughts-from-today. To read further, please go to: http://content.tradeking.com/wiki/display/tkservice/Advanced+Orders.

 

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