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shorting the QQQQ

I made the mistake of buying a few $45 puts the other day.  Luckily, they were offset by my sale of a $46 call.  Overall, I made a little money, even after losing out on the puts.  However, with war in Russia/Georgia and (apparently a BP pipeline getting bombed that controlled 1% of the world's oil supply), and jobless claims at six year high...I felt like it was a good idea to buy a couple of $47 puts on the QQQQ on Friday.  I bought them when the QQQQ was at $47.38, and after hours the Q was down, so I'm already in the money on them.  The puts expire in a few days, but with the Q going straight up for the last few days....I mean, from a low of $44.33 on Monday (8/5/08) to a close of $47.32 on Friday (8/8/08),  that's what.... a 6% or 7% gain last week?  --I just don't think the Q can maintain that kind of upswing this week.  I figure we're going to see some profit taking.  If the market freaks out tomorrow morning over the fighting and pipeline bombing in Russia, I can almost guarantee the market is going downhill, at least temporarily. 

I've said it before, but my general feeling is that the market "wants" to go up, but we're busy trudging through a summer of bad news (high oil prices, financials meltdowns, etc).  The media keeps talking gloom and doom, but many companies are still putting out good earnings results.  So far as gas prices go, more international turmoil could make them go higher again (like the current conflict in Russia/Georgia), especially later this year if the Iran/Israeli problems get worse, but I'm not sure that U.S. demand for oil is going to bounce back very quickly.  Even though gas has fallen from $3.99 to $3.61 in my city, my wife and I are still trying out best to conserve gas.  We've gotten into the habit of it, and even with summer winding down, I feel like the "save gas money" urge is still with us.  We just don't "trust" the drop in gas prices to last for too long.  In fact, it's inspired us to try and save more money in general (oops, I guess we're contributing to the slowdown). 

 Anyways, there's a few "gut feeling" thoughts on the market.  We'll see how my $47 QQQQ puts do tomorrow morning.  --Really, after this, I might start shorting the DIA.  The Q seems much stronger than the DIA. 

edit: the Q did eventually go down below $47 again, but it held at above $47 a few more days that I expected.  Like I said, it's probably better to short the DIA.  Q seems strong.

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Edited by DannyUpshaw at 08/28/08 01:18 PM
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after reading your post, I took a look at Q and made the decission of buying a put @ 47.  The day went well (the wrong way and knew the markets/index would go up Monday.  The decision was between the 47 and 48 put. I also considered the 47 and 48 call.

The momentum was against the put side, today I took another look and decided to close out the position @ .21 47.75. Thankfully I did, as of this moment.

 Over the weekend I was checking out the earnings calls coming up for this week and next week. Plus expiration week.

First option trade just to try it. I was going to wait till after expiration to try the first option trade but your post made me say what the heck, let's try.

With any trade, learning something new, is always good. I noticed the top 10 holdings of the QQQQ over the weekend. had the desire to do something on the finiancials, But didn't want to get caught with something I don't like.

Finding the nitch that I am interested in will be fun and a learning experience, hopefully not to costly. Definetly opens up some possibilities on trading.

Good luck on your trade

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well, i'm down on my qqqq $47 puts right now.  I only paid about $45 for them, and I almost sold them for a loss...but, the qqqq is running at a near 7%-8% gain in 7 days times.  That run just seems a little overdone to me.  I could easily be wrong, but I'm going to hang on for another day or two.  it the Q climbs much higher, it'll be looking at a 10% turnaround in less than 10 trading days.  That sort of run just...doesn't seem to fit with the current investing climate.  I can see reasons for the run, but I can also see that in many ways the run might be more psychological than based on "real" recovery.  Of couse, oil is going lower, and that alone might be the "real" catalyst the market needs to rally like this.  ..but I'm still surprised to see a 8% run in 7 trading days.  And no collapse ..? ..so I'm just going to hold onto my puts and if they expire worthless, I'll just chalk it up to misreading the market.  I've done pretty good this year, so I feel like a mistake every now and then isn't so bad.  
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Sorry Dan, didn't know you replied. Harnessing the Q is difficult because of the broad base that it holds in the tech sector.

Here is how my play turned out, including commission

Bougt to Open Put QQQ TU 47 @ .36 on 8/11 at the time Q stock price was around 46.89

Total cost 41.60 with commission, 36.00 for the put and 5.60 for the commission.

After the buy, Earnings came out on the tech sector with a 50/50 mix but the bigger of the techs drove the industry up, driving the markets and the Q stock price. as the day went on and Q continued to rise to 48.01.

Next morning, when I checked around 10:30 Q was around 47.68. I decided to sell to close around 47.78. since expiration week and all.

Sold QQQ TU PUT 47 @ .21 on 8/12

Totlal gain 15.39 with commission, 21.00 for the put and 5.60 for the commission

so with this a 32 dollar lesson. on how to trade an option in reality. :)

I wanted to Keep it simple, to see how all of this looks and get a handle on puts and deltas.

delta was around .38 or -.38 if I remember correctly for 48 call and 47 put.

I checked the CBOE from the eNews that I recieve. some interesting event are coming up

First though on CBOE under data tab, then Page 3

list of events on CBOE http://www.cboe.com/AboutCBOE/EventCalendar.aspx couldn't get the insert to work. have to cut and paste

all in all,  went well, other than the lost wages part. I did notice under trading activity that someone had 500 calls for aug expiration. that should have been a big clue to dig a little deeper.

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On CBOE, under the data tab,Daily market statistics,
on page 3, The QQQQ sorry inserting links are not working for me.

http://www.cboe.com/data/mktstat3.aspx#QQQQ

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