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Buying puts on Solar (follow up)

Ok, so 29 days ago I blogged about how I thought that solar was over-valued and that I was considering buying some puts.  At the time, Canadian solar (the stock I mentioned) was bouncing between $45-$51 a day.  

My exact words were:

"Canadian solar was trading at around $17-$20 in February and March, for example, and now it's trading at $45-$51.  According to google, it's trading at at P/E of 64.42.  Between March and May, in the span of about 45 days, the stock more than doubled in price.  Of course, my reading indicates that they did have a great Q1, but a freaking double??? 

The puts are expensive, but I'm debating making a play on this one.  I mean, I can't really see the stock getting much higher.  It would seem to me that this one is going to come crashing down to at least $30 or so, perhaps as low as $25.  The question is when.  Predicting when the oil bubble is going to bust...could be a tough call.  And, of course, I'm just assuming that the stock will crash when the oil bubble pops."

It turns out, I was almost exactly right.   The oil bubble popped (to some degree) and stock is trending between $27-$28 a share right now.  I could have made some serious cash there.

However, the advice you guys gave me was wise (not to make plays shorting solar while oil prices were skyrocketing).  I didn't make the play, even though I thought that solar, at least Canadian solar (CSIQ) was overvalued.  It would have been difficult to predict when oil was going to go down, but in retrospect, buying at least a single put just based on "gut" instinct wouldn't have been a bad call in this scenario.  Knowing when to take a caculated risk based on intuition and "gut feeling" is always a tough call.  Gut feelings and intuition don't always match up with the market, and many times one winds up looking back and feeling silly or stupid for throwing money down the drain.  Anyway, I missed out on some cash there.  I don't blame you guys at all though.  I made the decision not to make the play because I thought it was risky and you guys agreed with me.  ...From my experience, I'm more likely to make a "gut" play if it's a cheap play with minimal cost.  The puts were fairly expensive, and the risk was high, so I didn't make the play.   Still, this was a play where my gut would have been right.  Even though I didn't go with it, I'm still happy to know that my market intuition seems to be getting better. 

With that said, I figure gas is going to go a little lower before skyrocketing again, either due to demand, or due to an attack on Iran.  --It looks like Iran is unwilling to negotiate on uranium enrichment, and I think it's very clear that Israel will bomb Iran before they let Iran get nukes.  If Israel is going to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, I think it will happen before Bush leaves office.  I think the attack is likely, and it will cause gas prices to soar like never before.  I'm not saying that the attack is going to happen, but based on the current political scenario, I think it is more likely than not likely.  Iran's current government has proven that they're nothing but a bunch of hard-liner liars (I can give numerous examples, if you're unfamiliar with the situation), and and they've given nothing but tough rhetoric.  Unless something changes substantially, I figure the odds are in favor of an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear sites before Bush leaves office (for obvious reasons), which will make gas prices soar like crazy.    --Again, I'm not saying an attack "will" happen; I'm just saying that unless things improve drastically, I do see the bombing happening and oil spiking.

Keep in mind that I'm not buying oil/gas or suggesting that they be bought.  But I'm keeping my eye on that market.  Really though, I'm not even sure how I would purchase oil/gas calls/puts.  Doesn't oil trade as a commodity?  Can I even trade that stuff on TK?  Or am I better off just buying puts/calls/stock on oil and gas companies?  (My newbie colors are showing off here....over a year of trading now, and there's still so much I don't know.  But, at least I'm making a little cash.) 

 

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Edited by DannyUpshaw at 07/25/08 06:59 PM
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You can use USO for oil and UNG for nat gas.
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Working on market timing is everything. Good call and I agree with you on Oil. Start buying when it drops to 110 a barrel!

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Danny,

I second you on nat gas/oil ideas vs Iran situation ( even if Iran attack will not take place)

I started to build UNG Aug/Sep long calls position on July 17th, pretty much worthless for Aug now, but with nat gas volatility I was expecting to be wrong few times, but reward might be great. Aslo, started USO long calls Sep yesterday. My position building  normally goes in stages when timing is uncertain. If I plan to put 10% of port to work, seed position is ALWAYS 1/5 of intended amount. Within next few days if my view on events has not changed dramatically I add 2/5 and wait. Then, if within time interval I expected position starts to move in my favor and I have built reasonable cushion I will complete last 2/5 OR IF trade is not working I dump latest 2/5 and mostly just forget about initial seed position.

  At least now I know why traders smarter than I went out of business

A Hedge Fund’s Loss Rattles Nerves

That been said, I think it will be as rewarding as "fade the oil trade after July 4th" or "bottom fishing financials second week of July(in real rife it shifted 4 days later)" was, at least for me. But if timing of "fade oil" was easier ( seasonaly unfavorable variant perception )

timing of "ride nat gas up" is "fundamentally unpredicatable".

Technically - nat gas, IMHO - will start going up as soon as Tuesday. What a drop!

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 Anyhow, as of today my position is 3/5 in UNG calls and 1/5 in USO calls.

 

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Sorry for "multipassing" :-) Forgot to mention that as secondary play to "nat gas theme" I opened CHK Aug55 long calls seed 1/5 position @1.40 ( hate to be underwater right off the bet :))
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