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Too much Time (value) on my hands

I posted a calendar spread trade on Bear Stearns and asked for feed back on what could go wrong received some good comments (but not the answer I  was looking for) what was I missing? Then it hit me. I had oversimplified the equation Option Value equals Intrinsic Value and Time Value. The Implied Volatility of BSC is so high that when I thought I was selling time value in the March Calls I was actually selling mostly volatility value. When I bot the Jan09 calls I was actually buying time value I thought pretty cheap. I knew BSC could go to zero and I was willing to take a postion that they wouldn't in 8 days. But without thinking it completly through I was betting all the time value I was paying for that they wouldn't be bought out by then either. If the deal is done and the price is set wouldn't time value for all options go to zero?

It's like I set down at a casino table and knew the dealer had 16 I thought we were playing 21 and that I had an obvious advantage. Turns out he had pocket 8's and we were playing Texas Hold'em. I may still win the hand but I really didn't know what game I was playing.

Edited by Anyway at 10/07/08 at 03:20 PM
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That is the beauty of the game. You are in a position, do not know why, yet you are not sure. Play it to the end 5 days and you will find out. Fold and you may take a loss. I did not see anyone bidding it up in aftermarket when the news was out! So right now it looks like you are holding three of a kind. Deals take more than a week to announce. So what if the other guy has a couple of eights.
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Check CNN for news, not good.
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I hate it when I get beat on the river card. Or was I beat on the flop? It will be an education to watch this all play out. An expensive lesson learned. Shall I turn off the ROI part of my post? I hate bad reminders looking at me. At least I didn't bet the farm. At least I sold the March calls. Wonder how financial stocks will respond to that buyout price? I think the value of their building was estimated at over 5 times that.
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What's the opposite of an ALL STAR TRADE?
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That was a complicated trade. I lost when I first started trading too. It takes time and patience. Every time I try to play with take over stocks like Yahoo I end up losing. You picked a tough one!
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I wonder what $2 calls were trading for on Friday? Just kidding;)
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