FRO Trading

Posted by BobJohnson on May 15, 2008 (07:34AM)

I looked at the new FRO's now trading at Tradeking. What do you think about them? As for me, I think the convenience does not justify the lower return.

Let me compare the returns if you were to do a credit spread vs. the FRO. Using the June 08 expiration (37 days) and 10 contracts ($1,000). The strike price is 145 with a "Finish Lower". Quotes were obtained May 15, 2008 11:15AM

1. Bear Call Credit Spread 145/146:  Bid Price 0.34 x 10 contracts = $340 profit

Commissions: $(4.95 +0.65 x 10)  x 2 legs =$22.90

Total Profit (%) =  (340-22.90)/1000 options hold = 317.1/1000 = 31.7% 

2. FRO 145 FL: Ask Price 0.81 x 10 contracts = $810 cost

Commissions: $(4.95 + 0.65 x 10) = $11.45

Cost basis = 810 + 11.45 = 821.45

Profit (%) =(1000-821.45)/821.45 = 178.55/821.45 = 21.7%

 3. Conclusion

The pricing on the FRO is too expensive. The bid/ask spread is also too wide. If you got in and changed your mind, and were to close out your position, you would incur greater losses on the FRO.  Not shown in my analysis were the "Finish Higher". But the results are similar. My overall conclusion is to continue using bull put credit spreads instead of 'finish higher' FROs. And to continue using bear call credit spreads instead of 'finish lower' FRO's 

Posted by Marcus on May 16, 2008 (04:48PM)

The bid/ask spread on the FRO's I have investigated are too wide.  Probably due to the newness of the options and the small volume.  No matter the pricing, I set my own.  Needless to say, I have gotten no takers to date.

Posted by UpAndAway on May 19, 2008 (03:22AM)

Hi, Bob,

I just did my first FRO. I was very surprised to see there is a $9.95 fee to exercise the option if it ends in the money. I thought there were no fees at the end- another "benefit" of FRO's. I did a 5 contract position that was $8.20 going in and then the $9.95 coming out. I guess this is some fixed exercise fee regradless of the number of contracts. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Thanks.

 

Posted by Marcus on May 21, 2008 (04:16PM)

I looked up the exercise fee and it is $9.95.  If you bought 5 contracts and it ended in your favor then the fee comes into play since they have to get the money from the seller.  If you sold 5 contracts and it ended in the buyers favor then a transfer has to occur to settle accounts.  It makes sense, but I was thinking the same as you were initially until your question.  Good to know, since I sold my first FRO contract.

Posted by theRodge on August 22, 2008 (07:01PM)

Last thread was in May and FROs started back then. How are they doing now? I looked up what is offered at AMEX and noticed Citigroup was listed. I am a beginner but was interested in trying one of these FROs. If I think Citigroup will increase to 20 to 25 sometime early next year what one would I buy? What else would I do to place this bet on Citi? or should I not bother since I am level 2?

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