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These are some of the things I've come to learn from my own experiences to date:

  • Take much of what you hear from analysts and the media with a grain of salt. When I first started investing, if an analyst or someone in the media said something negative about a stock I owned, I would literally take it personally and get angry. I found myself lying awake in bed at night parsing their statements in my head. 

  • Try not to be overly informed (information overload). When I first started investing, I would click the refresh button every five seconds for stock quotes and scan every investing website minute by minute trying to be instantly informed. Much of the day to day news related to a stock you own does not affect its price.

  • Do not read the forums on Yahoo Finance or Google Finance. 99% of what people say out there is garbage (IMO).

  • If a stock you own ends down for the day (or visa versa), do not waste your time trying to think of every possible reason it moved the way it did.

  • Read "The Intelligent Investor" by Benjamin Graham
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"Try not to be overly informed (information overload). When I first started investing, I would click the refresh button every five seconds for stock quotes and scan every investing website minute by minute trying to be instantly informed. Much of the day to day news related to a stock you own does not affect its price."
Are you peeking in my windows?? lol.
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In addition to the things Upod mentioned above.  I can really only think of three things

  • Read 'Your Money & Your Brain' by Jason Zweig 
  • When you have a stock you want to invest in discuss it with a friend.   I have one person that I go to when there is a new stock I want to buy.  If I can't convience him that the stock is a good purchase, I don't buy it.  The person I go to is negative about any idea I have right from the get go. He will start pointing out disadvantages about owning the stock.  If I can't combat all the negatives, than either I don't know enough about the company or he brings up something I didn't consider during my analysis.  When he has an idea about a stock, I do the same for him.  
  • Understand when your trading strategy will work the best and when it won't.
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Good tips!  Are there any practical advice to "doing your homework".

After reading the company's background, news releases, growth history, etc., I tend to look at various analyst's recommendations (buy, hold, etc.)

I can read an income statement and balance sheet, but have a little trouble interpreting statement of cash flows.  I'm no expert and could definitely use a little help on what to look for.  I know some of the information on these reports is "nice to have" vice "need to know".

I often use various charts on TradeKing, Finance Google and NASDAQ to get a decent picture.  I admit, I'm guilty of reading the forums on Finance Google, but I definitely don't make decisions solely from those forum posts.

What do you look for and how do you interpret it?  A lot of analysts can read the same report and provide totally different interpretations.  I would be very helpful to know how to interpret all the info.

For example, some people look at P/E, volume and revenue and will make a quick judgement.  Not with my money!

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Good post Pman... I too would love to see some advice about what to look for when you are in the process of learning fundamental and technical analysis.
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After I have a good feel for the companies background, here are some of the things I look for:

  • PEG ( PE / Earnings Growth Rate ) is less than 2
  • Earnings have shown consistent growth over the past 10 years.
  • Total Sales/Revenue have shown consistent growth over the past 10 years.
  • Total Assets exceed Total Liabilities by a 2 to 1 ratio.
  • Current Assets exceed Current Liabilities by a 2 to 1 ratio.
  • Book Value per share has shown consistent growth over the past 10 years.
  • Free cash flow is showing consistent growth over a 10 year period.  You can calculate free cash flow by subtracting "Capital Expendatures" from "Total Cashflow from Operating Activities" on the cashflow statement.
I'll keep adding to this list as thing things come to mind.
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I also like to see growth estimates for the next 5 years in the double digits.
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Hi. I am a youg investor under 20. My goals are to plan for a nice retirement through my Roth IRA and to generate growth. I was thinking to limit my goals to my Roth IRA at the moment because I don't have to pay any taxes at the end of the year for any realized gains. However, I would like to own a car by 25. Do you think the brokerage account will help me in this goal? I am looking toward mutual funds and bonds to start. I have limited funds and am decided if it would dilute my efforts in two different accounts. Any thoughts?

 As far as I financial statement analysis consider:

Profitability

-Basic earnings per share 

-Fully Dilluted EPS

Liquidity

-Quick and Current ratios, seems (to me) the most critical

 Asset Management

-A/R, Inventory, and (equally important) payables turnover

Solvency

-debt to invested capital 

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Oh, I had another question! If someone could explain what a "preferred share" is, it would be most appreciated. Is it basically, they receive their dividens (which are fixed) before other holders?
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Correct - Preferred shares usually come with special dividends.  Also,  if the company is liquidated,  Prefered shareholders are given higher priority over common shareholders as far as payouts go.

I think it's a good idea to fund your retirement through a Roth IRA.   I don't think a brokerage account will help you with your goal of owning a car by 25.  If anything,  it could set you farther back.   In my opinion, you're better off just saving up the money for a car in a high yield money market account.    Rather than investing in mutual funds,  I would suggest you consider ETFs which are similar to mutual funds except they are traded just like a stock.

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This is what I do for two months now.

-Don't spend time figuring out the fundamentals of such and such company. Use material published by others (J. Jubak on MS Money, IDE, Navellier). Why ? It is their job, it is free or reasonably priced and they are serious. However, they don't have a crystal ball!

-Spend the time saved to try to figure out the market sentiment and sector sentiment (Tech Ticker on Yahoo finance and Seeking Alpha (some "posters' are really good and helpfull and your quickly recognize the emtional rants). Why ? The market is the tide that lifts all the boats.

-Check your choice of stock on MS Money (Caps) and / or on this community but effectively don't loose your time on yahoo discussion board. The few good posts are drawn under the emotional and insulting ones.

-Don't forget that most of what moves the market has NO SKIN IN THE GAME. If I recall well, an analyst is forbidden to own stocks he/she recommends. Furthermore, from my 30 years in this industry, I remarked that what makes people really nervous is not the money lost but the money not made. I recall analysts being literally slapped in public for urging caution during the .com bubble. This explains some of the exuberance you can see on the market.

-On the subject "skin in the game", I am going to check about mutual funds whose managers have stock invested in their own funds and what these funds hold.

-What I am doing now, since I am starting, is dividend capture strategy on stocks that pay high dividends. It gives some real fundamental reason to invest with a good cushion downwards. However this is not a sure bet. Did well on AXA, DSX and not good on PFE and NOK. Horizon should be one month top. 

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hi guys

newbie question. Can u help me understand Limit orders.  As i understand it i can use it to sell a stock automatically if it goes down to e certain price. How excately do u do it? Choose Sell and then Limit enter the price and then check GTC ??

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Re; preferred vs. common stocks. I hold amodest position in a REIT "CSE" which was all preferred stock; now they have anounced intention to offer common stock. Does this have any immediate or usual consequences for holders of preferred,neccessarily? THX 4 any help on this
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Tradist here is what a limit order is:

"An order placed with a brokerage to buy or sell a set number of shares at a specified price or better. Limit orders also allow an investor to limit the length of time an order can be outstanding before being canceled." I got this from: http://investopedia.com/terms/l/limitorder.asphttp://investopedia.com/terms/l/limitorder.asp

                      investopedia.com and wikipedia.org are great resources.

When you are Ready, for more advacened stuff - Tradeking has some good stuff under the "Eduction" tab, in the menu at the top of the page. Next go to "Technical Analysis Education" link. They do a good job at making it easy to understand.

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Tradist:

I think however you are refering to a stop order:

"An order to buy or sell a security when its price surpasses a particular point, thus ensuring a greater probability of achieving a predetermined entry or exit price, limiting the investor's loss or locking in his or her profit. Once the price surpasses the predefined entry/exit point, the stop order becomes a market order."

You can also combine them into a stop limit order.  The Tradeking interface wont let you do anythomg too stupid, as it will prompt you for oddities. So you can play and just not execute the trade, or cancel the order till you figure it out. It took me 3 tries to do my first limit order.

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Newby trader here.

Question 1: When you place an order to purchase stock at the current market price, how long does it take for that purchase transaction to show up as completed in your Tradeking account?

Question 2: Do you more experienced marketeers think the NYSE is going to drop back into the 6000 range and if so what is your best guess WHEN and will there be any advanced signals, other than it going down?

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70Cuda said: Newby trader here.

Question 1: When you place an order to purchase stock at the current market price, how long does it take for that purchase transaction to show up as completed in your Tradeking account?

   The Market Price is a term that is a bit fuzzy. There is a Bid Price (what the current highest offer for the stock is), and an Ask Price (what the current lowest price a holder is willing to sell at). The difference is called the Spread. The B/A size is the current number of shares offered at those prices. The price of the stock is the price at which the last trade was completed.

   If you are referring to a Market order, you will start buying the lowest Ask price until the Ask size is depleted, then will move up to the next ask size. Selling uses the Bid Price. This is why a savvy investor does not place large market orders (very small orders are ususually safe unless you are a very unlucky). I reccommend usng limit orders at the lowest Ask price for safety if you want fast execution.

   But to answer your question - It's a matter of seconds. :-).

Question 2: Do you more experienced marketeers think the NYSE is going to drop back into the 6000 range and if so what is your best guess WHEN and will there be any advanced signals, other than it going down?

   I don't - at least any time soon. In time, of course, it will drop to zero when society collapses - nothing last forever. I don't expect this to happen in my lifetime, unless the predictions about Dec 21, 2012 are true (no, I'm not buying a cave to hunker down in).  I do expect there to be a pullback once the Market realises that the economic downturn will take quite awhile to recover. Once that happens, though, I suspect the Market will oscillate around some value (maybe 9k? 8k? no way to be sure) which will slowly drift upward as the underlying economy recovers. But 6k? I don't think so - I think Panic (and short) selling oversold the true bottom. In the very short term I suspect the Market to continue it's rise.

   Hope I helped. :-)

~~Weird Uncle Jesse~~