1. I don't mind Coffee suggesting penny stocks - this is her niche
2. Who better than Otter with Pharma? based on previous posts she probably has more info and done more research in this area than anyone on this forum
3. Inc and Owl can argue all they want as long as it is civil. I can choose to read or not
Like Otter, I don't really care much for those that debase other traders for doing essentially the same thing they are doing. If you can't suggest a stock once in a while or ask someone else's opinion regarding a stock or a strategy, what is the purpose of the forum?
On open mind can be a tremendous asset. Keep your mind open and you might just learn something that will gain you $$$$.
Forum > The rules inside the Sandbox are easy to follow....
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Posted October 30, 2009 (09:37AM)
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Posted October 30, 2009 (09:50AM)
I agree with TJ and Otter concerning this topic. I only want to add that here in these
forums, insincerity is easy to recognize, for unlike the blogs, there is more
interaction here. If you say
something that strikes a note or offends, you will hear back shortly on the
forum. If you have a question, you
will probably get several answers (usually contradictory) within a day. BS and pompous behavior is not long
tolerated, and that is in part what keeps us coming back. Yes, I prefer for the strength of one’s
argument to carry the day, rather than it be a popularity poll, but as TJ
noted, you can always stop reading.
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Posted October 30, 2009 (10:23AM)
TJ, I agree, Coffee has had a very good track record...but I'm mad at her, she won't share the ingredients to her "secret sauce", I'm kidding of course, but I'm not a big fan of penny stocks anyway, too much potential for manipulation in my opinion, until the SEC really starts to open its eyes on the subject I stay on the side with those stocks for the most part.
As for Otter, I will say that I was one of at least two people that were very critical of a spec stock she (just now learning Otter is a "she") had purchased months ago when she decided to hold it after it had spiked. My reasoning turned out to be correct, the stock in question continued back down as I recall, at the time Otter was brand spanking new to TK, and I was guessing new to trading, I hate seeing anyone get fleeced by the market, especially newer traders. This has been my experience with Pharma specs, I have a very negative outlook on that particular group for the fact that there are multiple layers of hurdles and corruption & manipulation that can affect these stocks, from the FDA's "behind closed doors" political aspects, to fund managers that buy ahead of announcements with inside knowledge that can't be openly proven and then pump them with the fact that the market caps are relatively low. |
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Posted October 30, 2009 (10:59AM)
El D, great looking house you got. I'm interested to see when you get the landscaping done.
I'm confused about one thing: In your profile picture, it looks like the garage is on the left, but in the one you just posted, the garage is on the right. |
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Posted November 02, 2009 (08:04PM)
Several months ago… I did invest in HEB while it was trading under a 1.40. I did so openly and did stand behind the company. I was new to Pharma but not new to the concept of CFS… I shared privately with you on this matter; and now you state that “I was new and failed to take my profits”…
For the public record, what I shared was that “I lost someone to CFS” and I know first hand the pain, guilt, and frustration of so many people who suffer or love someone who suffers with this disease. So, I guess you might say that you were right. I stood behind a hope, a dream, and a desire. I still hold that dream that one day; HEB’s products will be approved and will truly rest at 20.00 per share and climb much higher.
I felt as though the personal choice of selling a stock or buying one was mine alone to make. I made the point to “attack the trade not the trader”. You stand behind the vale of hidden actions; yet you ponder in open those who trade openly. You spit words that hurt. I find your words offensive, rude, crude, and your style cowardly. Your profile… Closet Geek… I guess when you decide to exit the closet… and show us your wisdom in all the trades and positions you hold… and show us your score card… Then I might take you more seriously…
Attacking the trade is much wiser than attacking the trader… You might once again to take your foot out of your mouth and put it to use kicking yourself where you’re brain resides!
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Posted November 02, 2009 (09:20PM)
"I made the point to “attack the trade not the trader” ................. I find your words offensive, rude, crude, and your style cowardly."
It's interesting that you'd put these two in the same sentence...."let's not attack the trader, you coward." When you had HEB, I was trying to tell you, along with Ven, that Pharma pennies are notorious for skyrocketing and sub subsequentially nosediving....as evidenced with it's current price at $1.30. There was absolutely nothing "private" in the fact that you posted your choice in this open public forum, that's an odd thing to say, very odd....and even after the fact, knowing the choice should have been to sell, you prefer to find fault for those who tried to warn you, we were apparently "cowardly" and "rude". Do tell, exactly what was rude, crude or "cowardly" when I tried to warn you that you should have sold while it was over $2? If you want to hold a friends disorder as some bizarre form of license to make irrational or emotionally nased decisions and then put blame on those who tried to warn you, my Wife has MS, but you don't see me buying up every MS pharma in site, more recently I opted to avoid ACOR with the knowledge that the FDA is extremely cat like in it's fickle decision making process, I won't hinge my money on their professionally biased process. If you choose to take a "wear my heart on my sleeve" approach to your trading, all the power to ya, but don't become incensed when others opt not to share your style or adopt your style, good luck with HJEB, maybe one day it will return to the buy price, until then, don't shoot the messenger because the message isn't what you want it to be, it's now worth $1.30 regardless whom you blame. |
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Posted November 02, 2009 (09:32PM)
Yes, I see your point. From here on in, just ask away, any trade you decide to make, I agree, great choice, buy more...bet the farm! |
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Posted November 03, 2009 (12:02AM)
I agree SP, and there is also PM that may be of use. |
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Posted November 03, 2009 (07:35AM)
maybe i was wrong about the target of this thread.... oh, my. this is almost as painful as holding Irish bank stock.
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Posted November 03, 2009 (11:08AM)
Wow, the Incubus-Otter fight is on. Ringside seats!
  C'mon, you two, break it up. Otter Way, I'm sure Incubus didn't mean to attack you personally. He just has a lot of opinions (about stocks, about politics, about whatever). |
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Posted November 03, 2009 (11:12AM)
That otter-incubus
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Posted November 03, 2009 (11:22AM)
whew! I was looking to hide under my lunchroom seat. I thought i heard one of the young pennnies calling "Food fight, food fight."
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Posted November 03, 2009 (11:42AM)
Did I miss something? Pictures are nice ....
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Posted November 03, 2009 (01:18PM)
Geesh, gimme a break.. I ask you what you think about a penny stock I bought when it's up 50% and you tell me to sell, I stand by my conviction despite your efforts to convince me holding is a bad idea. Months later, you're a "coward" for telling me what I didn't want to hear....eh...what? I'm not always right (well, except when debating you Owl), but I smell something ridiculous here. I'm not looking to rain on the parade for small furry critters who live happily in harmony with mother nature, but...well...got substance? As for another members notoriousness for his "crude" approach, be as crude as you want buddy, if you're giving me great trade/investment idea's that make me money....or willing to share your "secret sauce" rationale behind the reasoning in your decision to buy or sell a stock, thanks for showing me how you fish, rather than handing me a single fish, I'm happy to reciprocate...crudely albeit, but I have no plans to call you a "coward" for your efforts. In fact, I'll even thank you for your crudeness.....all the way to the bank. Maybe the Otter has me confused, or misunderstood something I said, or is out of touch with the how and why of trading and the fact that the stock market doesn't hug you after taking your money, but to propose a "set of rules for the sandbox" that states we ought "attack the trade, not the trader" all in the same breath as "You're a coward" is odd...I'm ready to break out my foil beanie or something, this is just weird. |
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Posted November 03, 2009 (01:34PM)
There will be no other posting from me on this topic. Mr. Incubus... you win with all hands down... You've proven yourself to be a highly followed trader with great moral fiber and charcter. Let me be the first to say... I'm sorry... You are and always will be one who looks out for others and has great moral fiber; and I have been out of line in my own posting... Winner Incumbus...
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Posted November 03, 2009 (02:04PM)
Otter, you missed my point....there is no winner, this isn't an episode of Island where we get voted off or develop followers.
We both wanted you to make money, it was important enough to push the issue when you'd been as much into a gain as you were at the time. This is the summary of HEB, that you still hold - "Net profit margin -22764.71%", last years total profit margin was -4610.94%, thats not exactly what you define as a favorable direction, today it's down again, to $1.12 as I type. If you truly want to stand by the disorder your friend has, take that money and make a contribution to a non-profit organization for the tax write-off, don't rationalize a bad investment, the money you're losing is going into the pockets of daytraders, not research for a cure. If I were in a similar situation and you were frustrated enough to try to get my attention and I hadn't listened, I fail to see how I could find fault in your original tenacity....being called a coward was icing on the cake, wow. Both of us who'd been appealing to you to sell have been cooked on smallcap, speculative pharma and penny stocks enough to know when to not be a "hog", you were in a very favorable position and could have made a fantastic gain.....maybe taken the extra money and donated to your friends cause. This isn't about who wins the argument, it has nothing to do with "I told you so", it's about a combined effort to help eachother in a market over-run by hedge fund manipulation, stock manipulation and volatility at historic levels. Don't get me wrong, I am not averse to your optimism and the flora you add to the forum, but a bad decision is a bad decision regardless how you slice it, sometimes that isn't what you want to hear, but maybe you need to listen rather than transfer blame. |
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Posted November 03, 2009 (04:39PM)
Otter,
You are a class act. Whatever you are doing to generate a 200+% return in six months, more power to you. "Who said it could not be done? And what great victories has he to his credit which qualifies him to judge others accurately."-Napoleon Hill |
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Posted November 03, 2009 (09:54PM)
I have apparently been gone way to long, lol. Hello boys and squirrels.
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Posted November 03, 2009 (11:50PM)
Owl, those were appropriate and funny photos-- Good Cheer!
Hey, Incubus, some of us have almost as much anxiety as you about the direction of where our economy is going, but with a spouse, loved one, with MS, as you claimed here, I am in great sympathy with you. MS is one slow cruel disease and hopefully a cure will be within a timely period. However, Otter's always welcome here and she's made money and made TK money that's for sure. More than I have in either capacity. I thought I did a lot of trades..whew. And she has a fondness for the iceland princess, DCGN, like I do.. but it might be a doomed love. And Incubus, I wish you'd give us a little insight about stocks and trading more, as you're cryptic about what you think is a good trade and how are you really doing? daavid |
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