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Veneratio

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Please do not take this the wrong way but I would like this discussion to be for serious and seasoned investors only. It will benefit everyone involved if the discussion remains in the realms of more seasoned investors as discussion will not get sidetracked into "What's your favorite penny stock?" "What stock will double tomorrow?" ect, ect. If you are unsure why you're portfolio is the way it is then please sit this one out and read and learn. It will be far more beneficial.

On to the question of the day... How are you managing your portfolio and why?

I'll start by saying that I put the majority of my assets in stocks about 3 weeks before this rally began, and I have stuck with it. Just recently I decided the risk was starting to outweigh the reward, and I felt it was time to hedge my portfolio. First, I shifted roughly 30% of my portfolio to cash. Second, I had to decide what to do with the remainder of my portfolio. I narrowed it down to three choices:

1. Don't touch a thing and simply maintain my small-cap long positions.
2.  Stick with #1 but also hedge my risk by shorting companies I felt were over-valued(to do this I would have to draw from my cash)
3. Sell off all my long positions, allocate 50% of my portfolio to cash and go short with the other 50%.

Ultimately, I have decided to go with #2. I am feeling bearish, and I feel the reward of a continuing rally is greatly outweighed by the risk of a significant correction. I have however been wrong so in an effort to benefit from either a continuing rally or a correction I have chose #2. My thought process is as follows:

My current stocks are all issues I believe will not suffer dramatically from a significant correction in the U.S. market. If the U.S.  market does start to downtrend I believe the gains in my short positions will outweight the losses in my long positions. If the market continues to go up I believe the gains from my long positions will outweight the losses from my short positions. In summary, I hope to achieve a win-win situation for myself by going long stocks that will outperform in both a bear and bull market which along with my short positions will enable me to profit from either.

As for what I am shorting? Nothing right now actually. I've been working on my revised portfolio this past week, and I plan on initiating my positions before the weeks end(barring any significant change in heart for some reason).

How about you? Are you bearish, bullish, or sitting on the sidelines and how are you structuring your portfolio accordingly?

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Ven,

Any reason why you are not buying puts to protect your portfolio or selling some if you dont mind potentiallly adding to the stock positions at a lower price? You could also short the broad market (SPY) as a hedge instead of picking individual stocks to short. That is a common strategy if you like your longs and feel that this is just a temporary blip.

Right now I am bearish on the market but I am close to a point where I will take a wait and see attitude. I think we will trade down to around 850/830 before spiking again. If I am wrong, a possible scenario is a snap bounce from the 875 SPX support level in which case I think we may trade up to around 950 again pretty quick.
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 I want to sell into the few remaining feeble upturns and get to 50 percent cash. I've already bought and sold inverse etfs like SDS, and may hold SIJ for longer periods. I am not familiar enough with the technique called 'shorting' and hate to pile on some poor company and rather would short the herd mentality of the Bulls that got us into this mess which is why I find SIJ a nice way to go in a downturn. (besides not having to cover and retain margins). I feel it's sort of like the first two months of the year again.

Even my 'good' stocks I might sell to buy back at lower prices. T is a good one and maybe WMT, (some others)  but I might sell them too. If I can rebuy at 15 percent cheaper. Going to sell most of the banksters probably.

Only down to 15 percent cash. You were smarter to get there before this.

(I am now sure I have a bit of a stockaholic problem....even if a "bear", I have hidden optimism that makes me want to buy, buy.)

"If the U.S.  market does start to downtrend"


 I don't know, but it feels it's been going down for a month already. We're like the frog in the slowly heated up water, enjoying the heat and falling asleep, then suddenly being boiled w/o knowing it.

Hearing and seeing Cramer and Kudlow grow ever more shrill and scowling, while being "optimistic" about the market, only confirms Roubini's calm smiles.

But I'll be open to growing stocks too. That's why the need for cash to invest in the future.
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Though I understand the "what's your favorite penny stock " statement, I wouldn't completely close doors to alternative trading styles or strategies.
I swing trade with ETF's, it's much less risk than individual stocks.

I generally avoid hype, penny stocks and by and large individual stocks as a whole.

Last fall I lost a lot of money buying stocks after reporting fantastic earnings, I later learned that these stocks might have been specifically targetted by deleveraging hedge funds as a way to make fast money from a gazzillion guys like me who may have thought they were buying something with a future.

I even recall Michelle Caruso-Cabrera and another reporter commenting on this one night in Novemeber, that the higher quality stocks, especially those with good earnings reports, where getting slaughtered more then the overall market.

Also, we're in a strange time, where industry giants, staples for many years, can fall at a moments notice...if I can't trust companies like BA, BAC, C or GE, I'm hard pressed to trust smaller caps, not in this economic environment.

I also allow myself "play money", where I will occasionally dabble with a spec, this past week I shorted DNDN at an average price of $25.90 and covered the bulk of those shares yesterday, credit goes to Livin' for throwing the idea at me, and I bought into MTXX at 3 different intervals at $6, $5.46 and last at $4.40...this one's a hold for a few months I figure, until the next up swing, I'll buy in increments of -20% from here on in, if it dies, the amount I put into it is negligable.
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    It is no secret to anyone who has been following the TK community that I sell puts to buy stocks and sell calls to sell stocks. This strategy results in my garnering a 3-5% return on both ends in theory. This leads to minimizing my losses due to the premiums I recieve. On the whole it works acceptibly well. Snce I have been following this strategy, I have been doing very well.

    There is another benefit to this strategy. It maintains both buy AND sell rules. While I did get eaten alive in march (like every other bull), I did minimize my losses. However, on the whole, the discipline this strategy imposes on both buy and sell side is a benefit. I buy at MY price, and sell at MY price. Most of the losses I incurred was by utilizing high risk positions (GM is a notable exception).

  Oh! Malign Cramer all you want, he did make me money. Do not blindly follow his picks, follow his advice (Buy and Homework). Do your own research, and own your own gains!

~~Weird Uncle Jesse~~

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My portfolio is an absolute mess at the moment but, after the catalysts that I am waiting for on 2 of my holdings (HGSI&SPPI), I plan to create an inflation play. I'm thinking it should be agriculture, energy, and metal (not gold) based. Likely a combination of XME & DBA shares and calls.
LVS is my portfolio bet on an economic stabilization or recovery.  Also, it is well hedged against a falling dollar since 70% of its revenue comes from Asia.
I'll keep the rest reserved for biotech and, of course, random,"vegas style' long call and put plays. At least until I learn my lesson on the latter,
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incubus said: Though I understand the "what's your favorite penny stock " statement, I wouldn't completely close doors to alternative trading styles or strategies.
I swing trade with ETF's, it's much less risk than individual stocks.
I generally avoid hype, penny stocks and by and large individual stocks as a whole.
Last fall I lost a lot of money buying stocks after reporting fantastic earnings, I later learned that these stocks might have been specifically targetted by deleveraging hedge funds as a way to make fast money from a gazzillion guys like me who may have thought they were buying something with a future.
I even recall Michelle Caruso-Cabrera and another reporter commenting on this one night in Novemeber, that the higher quality stocks, especially those with good earnings reports, where getting slaughtered more then the overall market.
Also, we're in a strange time, where industry giants, staples for many years, can fall at a moments notice...if I can't trust companies like BA, BAC, C or GE, I'm hard pressed to trust smaller caps, not in this economic environment.
I also allow myself "play money", where I will occasionally dabble with a spec, this past week I shorted DNDN at an average price of $25.90 and covered the bulk of those shares yesterday, credit goes to Livin' for throwing the idea at me, and I bought into MTXX at 3 different intervals at $6, $5.46 and last at $4.40...this one's a hold for a few months I figure, until the next up swing, I'll buy in increments of -20% from here on in, if it dies, the amount I put into it is negligable.

 I thought you'd like that one Mr.Incubus ;]
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Lately I have tended to avoid using options to hedge my risk. The volatility is simply too high for my liking. As for why I don't simply short the broad market... I am far more confident in my own ability to find companies who are overvalued and may continue to downtrend even in a bull market. I've never been a fan of shorting indexes(although I did have a short stint with FAZ). Perhaps I am naive, but for one I am young so I can afford the volatility and risk, and two, my judgment has served me very well thus far so why stop now. Indexes are merely a tool for uncertainty. 

Data

I held T for quite some time until I simply couldn't bear it anymore. So stagnant and so frustrating to see its stock move independent of its fundamentals.

Inc

Touchet. I am definitely not opposed to alternative strategies. As for swing trading... not my game. No matter the potential rewards, I've long decided I never want to become dependent on day to day movements of a stock. It's simply not worth it to me. To each his own though!

WeirdUncle

I despise Cramer. And despise is an understatement. If I had the chance, I would gladly deck him in the face. He is the scum of the earth, a false "prophet" who pretends to have the people's interest at heart.


Jimmy

What are the catalysts for HGSI and SPPI?

Livin

Nice to see you're back on your old name. What happened to your performance though? Did you swtich to another broker?

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Ven, swing trading isn't necessarily any more lucrative than buy and hold or long term trading strategies...the biggest factor is probably having the freedom to buy or sell when your ship comes in.
If memory serves, you're in school, your strategy is best suited for your lifestyle....and it has obviously proven to be lucrative.
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Not really tauting T, ven. Just that it has 'safety' and high dividends and has no where to go but up.. .. but alas has been flat... so I'll have to just use it for dividends (6 plus percent). Kind of like a floating CD that I can put cash in and out of. Seems a few top earners in the leaderboard use T to bounce options off of too, but like you, I am not 'seasoned' enough to tackle them yet. PG is probably a better 'safety stock' but it's already gone up a bit and also has dividends (about 3 plus percent). I am not sure if the 'correction' is happening or to come.

ditto; Cramer, not hating him that much, but still he's a self-serving douchwezzle, pumping PEP for his own 'charitable trust' or that call on AMD I mentioned elsewhere. However, sometimes his calls are very good 2 months out. Just maybe AMD will go ballistic in a month. He said Techs started this 'rally'. What Bullsh@t.

I've got a lot of 'trash' in the penny's. I am wondering when to unload the losers or keep for my grandchildren. Fortunately, only in the hundreds of dollars, not Ks. Today seems a surprisingly positive day. Weird, my personal position is clouding the possibilites here. But just having more cash is good. (warning: I sold some oil stocks in premarket and the prices needed were too low..should've waited.)

Hopefully, others will comment here!! Seaoned Vets, Please!! (I wish I'd bought SPPI too but how'd a person know?)
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incubus said: Ven, swing trading isn't necessarily any more lucrative than buy and hold or long term trading strategies...the biggest factor is probably having the freedom to buy or sell when your ship comes in.
If memory serves, you're in school, your strategy is best suited for your lifestyle....and it has obviously proven to be lucrative.

 
Even when I do graduate, swing trading will never complement my lifestyle.

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No, I'm still here at TK, you think I would leave you guys ;] lol.

Ven, what are you going to school for man, and where is that pic taken at in your avi?

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Well shoot, get that performance back up! Everyone has cold streaks, lol.

I'm majoring in corporate finance and my avi pic was taken at The Great Wall of China. Amazing place, I recommend everyone gets out there to see it!
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Cool man, that's where I thought it was. My cousin's job sent him there for a conference or something, brought back some pretty cool pictures of stuff you normaly don't get too see.

The cold streak is slowly thawing out. Performance is seeing some green. It was an expensive lesson but a well worth one, it made me a better trader. Ill try to get it back up somehow for everyone too see, gotta call a rep though.

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For SPPI, 7/2 is when the FDA is expected to approve or decline an additional indication for their non-Hodgkins Lymphoma drig, Zevalin. Domestically, It's already approved as a "2nd line" treatment and it is approved as a "1st line" treatment (what the 7/2 ruling will be on) in something like 40 countries.  If it does end up being approved for the additional use, I think the stock could hit $10
For HGSI, we're waiting to hear Phase 3 results for a Lupus drug. that should come sometime in July, but there is no set date.
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Jimmy,

Do you often trade medical stocks and if so do you have a medical background? Or are you more or so looking to just profit off the hype which is exactly what I did with HEB.

Livin,

I know exactly how you feel. My performance here at TK started out like a roller coaster. I was up 40%, made some huge mistakes and entered the red, learned from my mistakes and I have been battling back ever since. No matter what though I kept my performance public, even when I was in the red. Why? Because it reminded me on a daily basis of my mistakes and what I needed to do to fix them.

 
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My style of investing should be transparent from previous posts.  I venture that my portfolio is somewhat larger, more diverse, and conservative than most who post on this forum.  Other than trying to close a number of my open option positions and raise a little cash, I have not change my investment philosophy.  What I do notice is that some of you have a predilection for thinking that “it’s different this time”.  Twice before I remember unemployment being far worst than today.  At the end of the Vietnam war and the beginning of Reagan’s first term, unemployment hit double digits.  I remember Volker dealing with inflation that would make your hair curl.  Do you remember Treasuries at a mid teen interest rate?  
I’m not saying there will be no correction;  there will always be a correction, and then a recovery.  You can count on it.  And you can count on the fact that you will never be able to anticipate every/any move in time to do all that you think you should.  
I suggest to you Ven to look to how you did before March, that may tell you what to expect with the next correction.  You are young enough that you should try a lot of things (No-don’t tell your parents I gave you permission to do that), and that is good.  But at some point, you will say this seems to work for me and this doesn’t, and then you will have your style.  
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Please do not take this the wrong way but I would like this discussion to be for serious and seasoned investors only.


Just dropped in to ask if you made to the Summer Palace, raining the day I climbed the wall and a picture similar to yours except I was all wet and maybe a little tired, hell of a climb for an older guy.

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spshapiro said: My style of investing should be transparent from previous posts.  I venture that my portfolio is somewhat larger, more diverse, and conservative than most who post on this forum.  Other than trying to close a number of my open option positions and raise a little cash, I have not change my investment philosophy.  What I do notice is that some of you have a predilection for thinking that “it’s different this time”.  Twice before I remember unemployment being far worst than today.  At the end of the Vietnam war and the beginning of Reagan’s first term, unemployment hit double digits.  I remember Volker dealing with inflation that would make your hair curl.  Do you remember Treasuries at a mid teen interest rate?  
I’m not saying there will be no correction;  there will always be a correction, and then a recovery.  You can count on it.  And you can count on the fact that you will never be able to anticipate every/any move in time to do all that you think you should.  
I suggest to you Ven to look to how you did before March, that may tell you what to expect with the next correction.  You are young enough that you should try a lot of things (No-don’t tell your parents I gave you permission to do that), and that is good.  But at some point, you will say this seems to work for me and this doesn’t, and then you will have your style.  

 If you'd started trading at the end of the Vietnam era, you had started trading about halfway through a 20 year bear market.
1950 through 1959 yielded growth of 288% after 20 the years prior averaging -2% growth after the great depression, the ten year period leading to the great depression yielded 135% growth.

Those were the two greatest periods of growth prior to 1980, the only two ten year periods of triple digit growth prior to 1980 and both were followed by 20 year periods of little or no growth.

You may well have had the privilege of investing in what might well have been one of the greatest market booms for many years to come.

From 1980 through 1989, the market saw 267% growth, then from 1990 through 1999 another 362%, not one correction for that entire period, even 1987 was a positive year.

I am not saying you're wrong, but I think even you would have to step back and maybe notice that your experiences with the market have been over a specific time period where it's quite possible "this time is different" could well refer to the only market you've known in that time period.

We've developed some pretty scary habits with credit and leveraging over the last 30 years, the average homeowner has a stock portfolio that probably only equates to a fraction of what they owe on their mortgage, auto and credit cards.

Therein lies a mathmatical irony that may well be a sign of things to comne with unemployment continuing the way it is.

Again, I do not challenge your life experience, I respect it highly, but there certainly is some food for thought there
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I can’t resist, my first twelve trades, which was my starting capital, had I held until today would have more than doubled my money. Says a lot for buy and hold, have you made 100% since March?

But I didn’t, I compounded it by taking the profit and buying others that hadn’t rallied yet and peaked at 700 %.

Recently I got into options, long calls, hit hard the last few days. Still have four times what I started with, and betting on a bull market.

I think too many feed the bears, they can’t take it, you give it to them.