Saw that Airbus is planning on building a plant in Alabama, thereby becoming a company that is "shipping jobs overseas" so BOO! HISS!! from the anti-free traders in the United States, right? Curiously, I've heard nothing from the usual clueless blowhards, as I never do when foreign entities "ship jobs overseas" to the "right" place, namely the United States.
Granted, it's early, and the road to Airbus actually putting productive people in motion doing productive work will undoubtedly be a long one if it ever does actually happen. Surely a union or ten can come up with a reason why an entity can't build a plant in right-to-work state Alabama without the blessing of our beloved mommy government, right? Why just a few days ago we learned that trying to earn a living in America more and more frequently requires the blessing of our benevolent protectors.
It will be interesting to watch.
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But back to the point, how evil is evil 'ole Airbus for "exporting jobs" to the United States? There's no way Americans prosper from free trade, right?
I have been reading these forums for some time and while your personal attacks are amusing, they are unsubstantiated.
Look, you stepped in it big time with your ridiculous suggestion that my use of the term "mommy government" is something other than exactly what it is, a descriptive term. You might as well join incubus and call me a Neo Nazi at this point, makes no difference to me. Hey is calling someone a Neo Nazi evidence of anger and ven.... wait never mind.
The only way to pay for imports is to export.
I don't know what planet you're on, but here on Earth, there's a spate of structural imbalances in the barrage of free trade agreements over the last two decades.
The "Romney strategy" is simple, it assumes outsourcing for cheaper labor is an endless fountain that yields limitless gain and assumes no counter-party loss for the middle class American worker.
That'd be you, Steve, You're the loser and you don't know it.
You can absolutely forget any notion of contracting your sign making business with any large corporation, there won't be any big contracts for you, not in this lifetime..
Your loss is Romney's gain, there's a lot fewer signs to make when your customers have no customers....not to mention, your sign making labor rate is nowhere near as low as a Chinese or Indian sign maker.
Free trade policies have taken a toll on workers in developed economies to the gain of those, the wealthy, who reap benefits of increased margins via lower labor costs.
Even that is no huge deal, but for the fact that we're not taxing them proportionally, and then spending cuts are on the table as a result of the revenue losses - costing us even more jobs.
Meanwhile, the money from those gains now sits in offshore tax havens to the tune of $2 Trillion, collecting interest at ridiculously low rates, sold to folks like you as beneficial "job creating" tax rates.
European company Airbus is "shipping jobs overseas"
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i think the shares are in EZ, not here. at least not there yet
Patches wrote:
"mommy government"
Do you hate all women or just your mother? just wondering because anytime you have anything negative to say it's mommy this or mommy that.
"mommy government"
Do you hate all women or just your mother? just wondering because anytime you have anything negative to say it's mommy this or mommy that.
As technology advances there are fewer jobs in any field of occupation, more getting educated only increases competition for available jobs. So what is to become of those not needed?
Grow up. To answer your question, no. The point is to convey an image of the sucklings of our society who want government to solve their problems, foolish as they are to believe it's possible. If it would make you feel better I'd be happy to switch to daddy government or another term of your choice, but I can't guarantee I'll get it right. Let me know how you'd like me to proceed.JAJ7DVDBAA said: Patches wrote:
"mommy government"
Do you hate all women or just your mother? just wondering because anytime you have anything negative to say it's mommy this or mommy that.
But back to the point, how evil is evil 'ole Airbus for "exporting jobs" to the United States? There's no way Americans prosper from free trade, right?
Patches wrote: "Grow up."
You’re telling me to grow up? I'm just shocked and dismayed at the amount of anger and venom that is directed to people who don't agree with your views, the amount of name calling, labeling and cartoonization of people’s views. Do you think your being fair?
I just did to you what you so often do to others; I guess that was my point. If you ever want to have a conversation on my terms let me know, I honestly would like to understand your beliefs.
Signed not a commie.
El Dorado wrote: So what is to become of those not needed?
Hi El D,
I wonder the same thing (great minds). Beautiful song, not a big fan of Elvis, but I think I’ll add it to my iTunes playlist.
JAJ...JAJ7DVDBAA said: Patches wrote: "Grow up."
You’re telling me to grow up? I'm just shocked and dismayed at the amount of anger and venom that is directed to people who don't agree with your views, the amount of name calling, labeling and cartoonization of people’s views. Do you think your being fair?
I have been reading these forums for some time and while your personal attacks are amusing, they are unsubstantiated.
Wow, little sensitive?!? It's a phrase. If I say Washington is a "Nanny State" I must hate all nannies because lord forbid they get any respect! Damn nannies.
JAJ7DVDBAA said: Patches wrote:
"mommy government"
Do you hate all women or just your mother? just wondering because anytime you have anything negative to say it's mommy this or mommy that.
You need to go back an reread everything I have written. I write what I think, I'm honest. it's not "anger and venom". If you live in a cocoon of political correctness or something similar that has you placing yourself above it all by decree, I suggest you just live in that world and leave the adults out of it. Everything is a battle of ideas, I have mine, you have yours.JAJ7DVDBAA said: Patches wrote: "Grow up."
You’re telling me to grow up? I'm just shocked and dismayed at the amount of anger and venom that is directed to people who don't agree with your views, the amount of name calling, labeling and cartoonization of people’s views. Do you think your being fair?
I just did to you what you so often do to others; I guess that was my point. If you ever want to have a conversation on my terms let me know, I honestly would like to understand your beliefs.
Signed not a commie.
Look, you stepped in it big time with your ridiculous suggestion that my use of the term "mommy government" is something other than exactly what it is, a descriptive term. You might as well join incubus and call me a Neo Nazi at this point, makes no difference to me. Hey is calling someone a Neo Nazi evidence of anger and ven.... wait never mind.
It's a speech code. Nothing new.Bubonic33 said:
JAJ...JAJ7DVDBAA said: Patches wrote: "Grow up."
You’re telling me to grow up? I'm just shocked and dismayed at the amount of anger and venom that is directed to people who don't agree with your views, the amount of name calling, labeling and cartoonization of people’s views. Do you think your being fair?
I have been reading these forums for some time and while your personal attacks are amusing, they are unsubstantiated.Wow, little sensitive?!? It's a phrase. If I say Washington is a "Nanny State" I must hate all nannies because lord forbid they get any respect! Damn nannies.
JAJ7DVDBAA said: Patches wrote:
"mommy government"
Do you hate all women or just your mother? just wondering because anytime you have anything negative to say it's mommy this or mommy that.
The USA is still the 2nd largest producer of goods, China passed the USA sometime between 2010 and 2011, the USA is still the 4th largest exporter.
A ton is still made here. The problem is the vast majority of manufacturing in the USA is very high tech manufacturing, so while tons still gets made here, very few people are employed by it. That's not necessarily bad because factory jobs are often miserable when their not heavily automated but it does put an increasing pressure on individuals to become entrepreneurs and the pressure on an economy to come up with new ideas and products is perhaps growing faster than new ideas and products are being developed.
Something else no one factors in. Samsung a Korean Company makes almost all of Apple's iPhone processor chips in Texas, also a large number of smartphone screens are made in the USA, most people think these are made over seas, which is not the case. What often happens is the high end products are made here, then shipped to China to be assembled cheaply. The whole outsourcing thing is a lot more complex than most people admit.
A ton is still made here. The problem is the vast majority of manufacturing in the USA is very high tech manufacturing, so while tons still gets made here, very few people are employed by it. That's not necessarily bad because factory jobs are often miserable when their not heavily automated but it does put an increasing pressure on individuals to become entrepreneurs and the pressure on an economy to come up with new ideas and products is perhaps growing faster than new ideas and products are being developed.
Something else no one factors in. Samsung a Korean Company makes almost all of Apple's iPhone processor chips in Texas, also a large number of smartphone screens are made in the USA, most people think these are made over seas, which is not the case. What often happens is the high end products are made here, then shipped to China to be assembled cheaply. The whole outsourcing thing is a lot more complex than most people admit.
Flany, on a per capita basis, the U.S. ranks 46th globally, that's nothing to dance in the streets over.
This thread is a farce, cherry-picking an isolated trade with the E.U. to make a broad sweeping political statement is stupid....the E.U. isn't the problem, the problem goes to emerging economies {China, India, Mexico} with substantially lower waged workers.
This is the kind of wasted time and resources in debating distorted data or fact that continues to suppress growth for America.
The global trade problem goes to unplanned imbalances in cost of living & wage differentials as we open foreign trade agreements with no thought on these variables and what affect they'll have.
As illustrated with the end result of NAFTA, when we trade with a country who's workers have lower costs of living or lower living standards, our workers are forced to compete - HOWEVER, our corporations and their executives benefit from lower overhead. (while we give them "job creating" tax breaks)
If we cannot compete, it will affect consumption/demand, which then squeezes domestic margins.
Operative word "domestic",
Multinationals can simply sell goods elsewhere, hire workers elsewhere and shift assets to whichever country is willing to give them the lowest rates.
The Romney strategy.
That hasn't worked very well for Ireland, the worlds lowest corporate tax rates, Dublin is replete with corporate store fronts, yet unemployment for Ireland is dismal - hovering around 15%..
What's interesting, though the middle class has seen a 6% drop in wages over the last decade, total U.S. income has risen, the mean being raised by the top earners that have benefited from foreign trade and Advances in technology & automation.
This thread is a farce, cherry-picking an isolated trade with the E.U. to make a broad sweeping political statement is stupid....the E.U. isn't the problem, the problem goes to emerging economies {China, India, Mexico} with substantially lower waged workers.
This is the kind of wasted time and resources in debating distorted data or fact that continues to suppress growth for America.
The global trade problem goes to unplanned imbalances in cost of living & wage differentials as we open foreign trade agreements with no thought on these variables and what affect they'll have.
As illustrated with the end result of NAFTA, when we trade with a country who's workers have lower costs of living or lower living standards, our workers are forced to compete - HOWEVER, our corporations and their executives benefit from lower overhead. (while we give them "job creating" tax breaks)
If we cannot compete, it will affect consumption/demand, which then squeezes domestic margins.
Operative word "domestic",
Multinationals can simply sell goods elsewhere, hire workers elsewhere and shift assets to whichever country is willing to give them the lowest rates.
The Romney strategy.
That hasn't worked very well for Ireland, the worlds lowest corporate tax rates, Dublin is replete with corporate store fronts, yet unemployment for Ireland is dismal - hovering around 15%..
What's interesting, though the middle class has seen a 6% drop in wages over the last decade, total U.S. income has risen, the mean being raised by the top earners that have benefited from foreign trade and Advances in technology & automation.
Good job, sir.flanyboy said: The USA is still the 2nd largest producer of goods, China passed the USA sometime between 2010 and 2011, the USA is still the 4th largest exporter.
A ton is still made here. The problem is the vast majority of manufacturing in the USA is very high tech manufacturing, so while tons still gets made here, very few people are employed by it. That's not necessarily bad because factory jobs are often miserable when their not heavily automated but it does put an increasing pressure on individuals to become entrepreneurs and the pressure on an economy to come up with new ideas and products is perhaps growing faster than new ideas and products are being developed.
Something else no one factors in. Samsung a Korean Company makes almost all of Apple's iPhone processor chips in Texas, also a large number of smartphone screens are made in the USA, most people think these are made over seas, which is not the case. What often happens is the high end products are made here, then shipped to China to be assembled cheaply. The whole outsourcing thing is a lot more complex than most people admit.
The only way to pay for imports is to export.
OK Inc,
Nice rant. Nothing you state is foreign to any of us. It still sounds like outright jealousy to me in other words "wealth envy".
I also think that a protectionist attitude for lower paying jobs is not the answer at all.
If you really believe that the current president and his policies will be better for the next 4 years, there is no hopium for you. He and most of his staff have been working against the business community for quite awhile. If it stays like it is now, the "nanny state" will expand and we will end up in a state much like the PIIGS, where a large percentage don't want to work and basically don't have to even at the 24 hours that comprises their work week.
You keep mentioning Romney and you believe he will be bad or the US. That's fine, its your opine, HOWEVER, you know what his agenda is for creating jobs and I think that is what you are truly concerned about. Romney seems to me to be a moderate Republican willing to work together with lawmakers to do what is best for this country.
Nice rant. Nothing you state is foreign to any of us. It still sounds like outright jealousy to me in other words "wealth envy".
I also think that a protectionist attitude for lower paying jobs is not the answer at all.
If you really believe that the current president and his policies will be better for the next 4 years, there is no hopium for you. He and most of his staff have been working against the business community for quite awhile. If it stays like it is now, the "nanny state" will expand and we will end up in a state much like the PIIGS, where a large percentage don't want to work and basically don't have to even at the 24 hours that comprises their work week.
You keep mentioning Romney and you believe he will be bad or the US. That's fine, its your opine, HOWEVER, you know what his agenda is for creating jobs and I think that is what you are truly concerned about. Romney seems to me to be a moderate Republican willing to work together with lawmakers to do what is best for this country.
BayouSteve said: OK Inc,
Nice rant. Nothing you state is foreign to any of us. It still sounds like outright jealousy to me in other words "wealth envy". ...
I don't know what planet you're on, but here on Earth, there's a spate of structural imbalances in the barrage of free trade agreements over the last two decades.
The "Romney strategy" is simple, it assumes outsourcing for cheaper labor is an endless fountain that yields limitless gain and assumes no counter-party loss for the middle class American worker.
That'd be you, Steve, You're the loser and you don't know it.
You can absolutely forget any notion of contracting your sign making business with any large corporation, there won't be any big contracts for you, not in this lifetime..
Your loss is Romney's gain, there's a lot fewer signs to make when your customers have no customers....not to mention, your sign making labor rate is nowhere near as low as a Chinese or Indian sign maker.
Free trade policies have taken a toll on workers in developed economies to the gain of those, the wealthy, who reap benefits of increased margins via lower labor costs.
Even that is no huge deal, but for the fact that we're not taxing them proportionally, and then spending cuts are on the table as a result of the revenue losses - costing us even more jobs.
Meanwhile, the money from those gains now sits in offshore tax havens to the tune of $2 Trillion, collecting interest at ridiculously low rates, sold to folks like you as beneficial "job creating" tax rates.
Your wrong when it comes to Romney's plans. He knows there is a serious problem. You keep pounding away with how Romney will destroy the US economy and thousands of jobs. I am not trying to defend what he may have done in the past, all I am saying is that he is more concerned about fixing this economy than you portray.
Did you see the cover of the last Bloomberg Businessweek? To me it is disgraceful. If there was one religion that really assimilated nicely to this country's capitalistic principals, it is the Mormons.
BTW, I grew up in the lower middle class even though my father was an engineer. Had to do with my deceased brother's medical bills putting us in debt for many years. There is one central ideal that all of my friends from my hometown believe, we don't need the government to pay my way.
Did you see the cover of the last Bloomberg Businessweek? To me it is disgraceful. If there was one religion that really assimilated nicely to this country's capitalistic principals, it is the Mormons.
BTW, I grew up in the lower middle class even though my father was an engineer. Had to do with my deceased brother's medical bills putting us in debt for many years. There is one central ideal that all of my friends from my hometown believe, we don't need the government to pay my way.
Steve, I'm spot on about Romney, the Obama campaign has pinpointed it as well.
Romney is an INCREDIBLE money manager, there is absolutely no debating that.
The problem, his entire strategy for success revolves around manipulating tax law instead of actual innovation.
Romney hasn't innovated, he hasn't designed or created anything, he hasn't developed new technology or introduced any new products to the market.
All Romney did for a living was to figure out ways to manipulate existing businesses around tax laws to make as much money for himself and investors as possible.
...and, those profits often came at the expense of tax payer subsidies.
An economy cannot be run like a business, when you lay off employee's to cut costs, they go to another company, when you cut costs/spending in an economy, the "employee's" (citizens) have nowhere else to go,
Citizens will always be a liability, unlike private sector employee's..you cannot "fire" citizens to cut costs.
FYI, neither Romney nor Obama were my choice for president, I liked Buddy Roemer by a mile...THAT man is qualified to run an economy.
With him out (He never had a chance), I take Obama, for the sole fact that he knows what it's like to be us...Romney has never had to live a day in our shoes, ever..he's thoroughly insulated, dislocated from the reality of American life.
Romney is an INCREDIBLE money manager, there is absolutely no debating that.
The problem, his entire strategy for success revolves around manipulating tax law instead of actual innovation.
Romney hasn't innovated, he hasn't designed or created anything, he hasn't developed new technology or introduced any new products to the market.
All Romney did for a living was to figure out ways to manipulate existing businesses around tax laws to make as much money for himself and investors as possible.
...and, those profits often came at the expense of tax payer subsidies.
An economy cannot be run like a business, when you lay off employee's to cut costs, they go to another company, when you cut costs/spending in an economy, the "employee's" (citizens) have nowhere else to go,
Citizens will always be a liability, unlike private sector employee's..you cannot "fire" citizens to cut costs.
FYI, neither Romney nor Obama were my choice for president, I liked Buddy Roemer by a mile...THAT man is qualified to run an economy.
With him out (He never had a chance), I take Obama, for the sole fact that he knows what it's like to be us...Romney has never had to live a day in our shoes, ever..he's thoroughly insulated, dislocated from the reality of American life.
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