Chinese wage growth at this rate takes them up to half our minimum wage in only five years. Recent indications that the Chinese will allow the Yuan to float, and therefore go up, will only accelerate this trend. This has already happened in South Korea (EWY), where wage costs are 60% of American ones. As a result, Korea’s GDP growth is half that seen in China.
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I just caught this article on Zerohedge, and he makes a lot of sense, apparently even China outsources to them because the labor is so cheap.
It also provides insight into the unemployment problem relative to globalization I've mentioned 50 gazillion times and even puts a time frame for the wage imbalances to even out, roughly five years....can we survive five years at these unemployment rates?
Anyway, I'm considering a very small long term position in VNM, here's the rationale..
"This is how the employment drain in the US is going to end. When foreign labor costs reach half of those at home, manufacturers quit exporting jobs because the cost advantages gained are not worth the headaches and risk involved in managing a foreign language work force, the shipping expense, political risk, import duties, and supply disruptions, just to get lower quality goods.
These numbers are also a powerful argument for investing in Vietnam, where wages are only 27% of those found in the Middle Kingdom, and where Chinese companies are increasingly doing their own offshoring. ...."
I might join you on this. But only because I have extended family living there, and the growth there has been crazy in the last 10 years. One of my regrets is never learning the language fluently. I would have liked trying to open a business there, but it's difficult with the communist government.
My uncle had a house off a main road. The road needed to be widened. So the government said, this road needs widening, here is some money for you to find another place to live. It's getting better over there, but freedoms definitely are limited.
My uncle had a house off a main road. The road needed to be widened. So the government said, this road needs widening, here is some money for you to find another place to live. It's getting better over there, but freedoms definitely are limited.
-> Jano, I completely forgot your mention of Vietnam, I should have just outright addressed you in the title.
I actually started to ponder what real estate might cost there, granted the communism part is a major drag, but with special interest corporate control over our own government and a hopeless outlook in light of a severe lack of focus on why we're not regaining jobs here, I find myself wondering what living conditions are going to be like in America within another year or two anyway.
Bah, maybe Canada ain't so bad afterall, as long as you have a heavy winter coat.
-> OF, the idea being maybe this is the next China, I can't imagine the Vietnamese government hasn't noticed that even a communist country benefits when it bolsters it's middle class (even if America has forgotten that).like I said, I'm only considering a very small longterm position for now, not a trade.
You have to look at it from the emerging market perspective, while many sovereigns have already made their mark, this one might just be a last frontier to capitalize on.
Inky, I had a post drafted then accidentally opened another webpage over the TK site. I'm not up to retyping the whole thing so I'll summarize: going back to Vietnam this Christmas, will scope out land, should be cheap if the Commies give permission (ha!), mother has friend that collects SS here and practically lives in Vietnam.
I have a buy limit set 1% below the closing bid and will revisit before open tomorrow. If I get filled, then I'll plan on stepping in again if it hits the 23 level (not expecting this to make a big bullish run this summer).
I have a buy limit set 1% below the closing bid and will revisit before open tomorrow. If I get filled, then I'll plan on stepping in again if it hits the 23 level (not expecting this to make a big bullish run this summer).
VNM has been on a 3-month bull run. Assuming that the world economy doesn't collapse, I'm thinking about re-entering here. Yes, missed the boat earlier for various reasons, but I'm still long term bullish on Vietnam. I would expect a small pullback from here, so I'm stepping in and/or will look for inversely correlated issue.
I completely forgot about this puppy, never did get into it in 2010 and, whew, I missed a Six Flags coaster ride..
Being that I originally targeted Vietnam as a derivative play on global demand, that even China outsources labor to them, it looks like China's slump last year put a hurtin' to them.
Being that I originally targeted Vietnam as a derivative play on global demand, that even China outsources labor to them, it looks like China's slump last year put a hurtin' to them.
I love the wooden coasters. Coastering stock value is inevitable, no? Everything cycles with harmonic waves. The long trend is key.
Long term (let's say 5 years) Vietnam looks like a winner. Hopefully VNM will be too. Starbucks is entering the Vietnamese market and they should do well if they include locally grown coffee. The young crowd wants to be hip like the West. Similarly, most of my nieces and nephews are going into finance-related careers. The Vietnamese middle class is doing well and is growing. One of my uncles works for the Bank of Vietnam, and he does quite well; has a nicer house than me! Vietnam is planning to consolidate to one stock exchange, which should reduce finance fees. VNM is heavy in Vietnamese finance, so hopefully this has positive impact.
This is definitely inherently risky though being an emerging Asian market. Growth could stall and reverse. There is also some posturing between Vietnam and China, which could add instability if diplomacy fails; something about disputed islands in key fishing/shipping waters.
VXZ seems inversely correlated, so it mates well with the XIV position. I still hate the roll decay, though.
Long term (let's say 5 years) Vietnam looks like a winner. Hopefully VNM will be too. Starbucks is entering the Vietnamese market and they should do well if they include locally grown coffee. The young crowd wants to be hip like the West. Similarly, most of my nieces and nephews are going into finance-related careers. The Vietnamese middle class is doing well and is growing. One of my uncles works for the Bank of Vietnam, and he does quite well; has a nicer house than me! Vietnam is planning to consolidate to one stock exchange, which should reduce finance fees. VNM is heavy in Vietnamese finance, so hopefully this has positive impact.
This is definitely inherently risky though being an emerging Asian market. Growth could stall and reverse. There is also some posturing between Vietnam and China, which could add instability if diplomacy fails; something about disputed islands in key fishing/shipping waters.
VXZ seems inversely correlated, so it mates well with the XIV position. I still hate the roll decay, though.
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